Things might've changed sliiightly over the weekend though.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
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Things might've changed sliiightly over the weekend though.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
So once again, Sven Smeets clearly lobbying for VW, saying it is too late for an Hybrid WRC car. Interesting he doesn't mention a full electric option, but I guess he knows that would have some kind of backlash from the fans.
http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/no...n-el-wrc-47068
Anyway, anyone knows when the discussions for the next set of regulations will truly start?! I guess it will be a interesting time for decision making with a sport which has been recently gathering momentum.
He says it's too late because the technology is already in normal cars. Probably he means that "it should have been in the rules by now".Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
For the last 25 or so years I don't remember any period where WRC/rally cars had something before it was available on normal cars. Generally they are just following the current trend in the industry. Ex. S2000 when turbo were not in, then downsizing (2.0 to 1.6), direct injection etc.
Anyway it should be a no brainer to add some hybrid related to turbo/ALS. Electric turbo might be hard, but replacing ALS with small Electric motor should be easy, hypercars have been using something like that for years.
Not only motorsport fans, also globally people are slowly realizing that EV’s aren’t so eco friendly like manus and polititians are telling. Coal and gaz plants will still be huge electricity sources for the next decades, meaning EV’s can become more CO2 polluants than ICEV’s. Besides, there are also environmental issues concerning batteries production and recycling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
That’s why its tottaly demagogic to say it’s too late for hybrids, especially coming from a brand that only a few years ago was caught cheating on TDI Diesel emissions, a technology VW also promoted as eco friendly. If VW purpose is to get back to WRC in order to promote EV’s, I say, with due respect, to Smeets and his associates: stay away, the WRC is doing fine without you!
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...-loeb-for-2019
Loeb- Fiesta WRC-2019-maybe?
"Cocaine is a helluva drug."Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Ogier's just pulling a Rick James in that quote. "I'm totally cool with opening the road. Also it's totally wrong that I have to open the road so often."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5LaHUnQMA
I can't think of a single reason why Loeb would do this. Maybe if the Fiesta is hugely better than the Citroën - but it'd have to be enough of a difference to make him drop his employer of 15 years... no way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/octo...pbQ1RIEG2WvNXY
You can now vote for the driver of the year on WRC.com. Voted for Tänak, despite the few drawbacks he had, the driver of the year imo.
I'm a big Neuville fan, but voted for Tanak too...
Tanak deserves it the most this year, he took the step from a rally winner to a serious championship contender in one year. Most drivers take a few seasons doing that or even don't get there (like Latvala). Sure car also has something to say about that, but he did fine vs Ogier last year and was quite a bit quicker than Latvala and Lappi on almost all rallies this year.
Honorable mentions:
Neuville - compared with last year he took a big step in driver-reliability and knowing when not to push 110%
Ogier - was back to blinding speed in Mexico and Corsica, something many people doubted after 2017
None of the other drivers had a good season. Only Lappi had ok one but still after taking a win last year it wasn't really a step up.
I voted for Loeb and his comeback to the the stars right away and shit all others in the pants despite not driving much that C3.
If he was good enough to win it last season then it's a no brainer this season as well.
I think this year serves as a perfect example of a season when the fastest one - by far - doesn't win the title (pending something unthinkable happens in Australia).
Dumb that there is no WRC2 drivers there. Jan Kopecky won his first WRC2 title with 5 wins out of 6 and even has 17 WRC points. Kalle also had a pretty spectacular season.
For me the driver of the year is still Tanak but both Jan and Kalle deserved to be in the selection IMO.
Remember 1992?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Indeed, sure I do ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
last year the fastest did not win as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Define "fastest one".Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
How's "Ott Tänak" for a definition?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
The quickest and relatively reliable indicator is the number of stage wins. It's not perfect, mainly due to road cleaning effects, but it's also better now when drivers don't know splits.
Another point about Ott is that he hasn't really had a 'traditional' off this season. The Sweden one was quite bizarre and we can argue whether he broke the car by driving too fast in Portugal, Sardegna and Wales, or the tyre in Catalunya, but he hasn't ruined a rally by putting the car off the road, like Ogier and Neuville have done.
That could be example, but certainly not a "definition".Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Yes, that could be good indicator. Even if we take away 1/3 of Tanak's stage wins due to road cleaning, he has still more than Neuville. And 1/3 is a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Can't quite agree. Sardinia was "traditional" off.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Neuville has one in Finland + timeloss in GB.
Ogier has Portugal+Tur.
Not listing Monte as most had small offs there and the timeloss depended on how many spectators were nearby.
Jumping from an artificial jump, staying on the road, not hitting a stone or anything on the road, but breaking the radiator is a traditional rallying crash for you? OK then...but 2 for Ogier and 3 for Neuville is still more than 1 for Tänak.
I tried to be clever but obviously failed in that attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Well I'm not n.o.t. to judge people's mind capabilities and throw random insults. Just wanted to know which indicator(s) makes a driver indisputable fastest as there are so many variables and circumstances, that I can never claim certain driver has been fastest 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
It's full of examples in the history of rally of fastest drivers who don't win championships. It's because Rally is not just about being faster.
And I'm not referring to Tanak this year, it's more general. Me too I would have voted for Tanak.
Neuville should have been more careful in Turkey also Ogier almost had to go rally2 with his wishbone change. And GB gearbox breaking because of a spin...and going into a ditch in Corsica...and punctiouring in Germany due to a collision.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Putting Tanak aside, what is more interesting Ogier has not been faster even than Neuville, and that without having to clean the road half the season. So yes, it's rally and why we love it, being fast most of the time couldn't pay off at the end. It's more about being tactic.
What if we go in another direction of arguing about the slowest driver out there. Please don't count Qassimi, Block and other one off-s.
without a doubt: Mikkelsen... sorry for him but trueQuote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
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Easy now, it wasn't meant as an offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
For me the fact that Tänak has absolutely smashed everyone on the number of fastest stage times tells enough. And ofcourse there are numerous variables. But, in our sport, we'll never be able to eliminate all those might-be-factors. That's why I tend to respect the statistics.
Using stage wins Evans is far slower (14 vs 3). The other drivers with fewer typically didn't do as many rallies, those that did almost as many are Suninen - 3, Breen - 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
If you look at rally lead in addition to that Mikkelsen with 11 has significantly more stages in lead than Latvala (6) and Lappi (1). Evans and Suninen have 0, Breen 2.
So without a doubt he is at worst 4th from the bottom, without even trying to do a detalied comparison with the part time drivers (Østberg, Paddon, Sordo).
I never actually thought it was. You looked more self critical than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Statistics is a bitch. After 20 years no one would care who had the record number of stage times, but who was the champion. But don't worry, me too believe Tanak's time will come;) Almost sure it'll be next year already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
The problem with this kind of votings is that a driver alone cannot win a championship. He needs the car and the co-driver and the whole team with him. It's difficult to single out the best driver or the best car or the best co-driver when some combinations seem to work better than others.
Well, it wasn't actually about who cares about what but how to define the fastest. Being a champ is one way to do it - but that's "statistics" as well, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Is there a way on ewrc to compare drivers? I wonder who would be up on head to head statistics between Evans and Mikkelsen. Both drivers have been way below expectations this year; Evans has just been nowhere near the speed he was purported to have with the Dmacks but he did get a nice looking podium in Spain. Mikkelsen, for me, has been far worse, and his wet tarmac speed was tragic.
Sure, I still stand behind my statement giving someone as example (without even saying why) is not a "definition", I can give you dictionary link of that word, but You can use google Yourself I guess. Tanak himself certainly doesn't qualify to be in the dictionary as universal truth, it's more like to look behind fan glasses or call it how You wish, in the context of current world rally championship of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Anyway we're going off-topic for some time and might bore the people. Let's keep it on-topic.
Sorry, but I prefer Altavista.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv