Can you name any tarmac-driver who is not able to drive on gravel, who is currently active in the WRC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Can you name any tarmac-driver who is not able to drive on gravel, who is currently active in the WRC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Apart from loeb and ogier.. Who can beat mikko hirvonen latvala solberg mads novikov.. :confused:
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I can drive fast on gravel, and many drivers competing in WRC who are fast on tarmac (or rather tarmac-specialists - or arenīt there any?) can, but never as fast as JML, Mikko, Mads, Evgenij...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Just a little fix, Ogier was much more comfortable on gravel in the start of his career than on asphalt if I remember. Maybe he still feels better on gravel...Quote:
Originally Posted by andyone
Tom was asking for drivers currently active in WRC. Who of them is asphalt specialist unable to drive fast on gravel? Sordo is probably the only one close to the definition but he was leading Rally Portugal few weeks a go...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
interesting article about vw handbrake.
Volkswagen WRC team stands firm as drivers push over upgrades - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
Citroen on Boca show...
Nagrada ? odlazak na Boca-River... @ AutoMotoTrend
Exactly, I don't see any real asphalt-specialist in the current WRC (also I think it's partly because the calendar consists out of mostly gravel events, while years ago Catalunya was full-asphalt, there was San Remo in stead of Sardinia, there was the more demanding Tour de Corse in stead of Alsace etc..., and Monte Carlo has been off the calendar for several years). 10 years ago I would have completely agreed with the statement, you had drivers like Bugalski, Delecour, Panizzi, Sarrazin (not so long ago) etc. But now... Who is an asphalt driver? Thierry Neuville is perhaps the only one we could consider an asphalt driver. Some of his stage-times prove that he is not slow on gravel at all (expecially regarding that he was doing the events for first or second time, driving against much more experienced drivers).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
This is your scenario only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Please do not start to go personal...we love the same sport...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Irrelevant generalisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I do not know any 'tarmac-boy' at top level in the given period, who had same 8 years comfortable learning period for gravel, like for JML & Hirvonen for the tarmac.
And became no.1 in their team...
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Originally Posted by RobertS
If you want to ride on the word 'professional', please do not avoid this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Just for sample, one of the real professionals, Carlos Sainz in Sweden. Performance on snow is not really important, usually only one such event in the calendar. 1st Swedish start for Sainz was in 1995, early retirement(engine):Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertS
1996 - Makinen, Sainz, Mcrae
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1996 final results
1997 - Eriksson, Sainz, Makinen
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1997 final results
1998 - Makinen, Sainz, KKK
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1998 final results
1999 - Makinen, Sainz, Radstrom
juwra.com**|**Rallies - Sweden 1999 final results
Most of these were harsh fights for victory. Vs Makinen, KKK, Radstrom, Eriksson...
Sorry, but what JML & Hirvonen did on tarmac for 8 years, that is non-professional or talentless...disgrace to the sport...
You talk history of drivers in the past. Non of them drives WRC currently. Non of the ten top drivers in WRC today are talentless. You should choose your speach better.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertS