2012 Presidential Race

In 10 years, on average since it began, roughly 26% of all stocks listed on the Dow will havethrough mergers, bankruptcies, or capital rebuilds, be delisted.
In 20 years it sits at 46% and for the timeframe of "soviet steel" or 80 years, it's 98%.
The only listed stock on the Dow since it began was GE.

This suggests that the eventual course of most business is failure and that the system it lives in is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

Good article here about last night.


HURT: Obama the debater: Making Jimmy Carter look awesome - Washington Times

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

Romney's statements do put Ryan and a lot of the conservative ideas his party supports in a bad spot for the next debate, however. I'm not a fan of rope-a-dope since I think the President had plenty of ammo to really hit Romney on his past statements and what was said during the debate, but then I'm so tired of listening to Republicans on stage without someone on the spot to point our how wrong they are each time they open their mouth (kind of like we have here) that I was hoping for the debate to be an opportunity to see it in action.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

The Vice Presidential debate will be broadcast on Comedy Central....lol Joe Biden will be there talking, it will be very comical. He is going to get smoked by Ryan bad!

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You mean like Sarah Palin did four years ago? And the difference was.....................

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Can Obama say....Owned ? LOL Romney was much better than Obama lastnight. Romney was much better prepared. Obama didnt respond to Mitt's remarks directed to him, instead he talked around them. Obama did need a teleprompter. He didnt know how to answer questions live without editing and liberal media favortism...lol He just stuttered around and when he couldnt think of something, he brings up his grandma again.....lol

Even CNN polls said Romney won the debate by a landslide...67 %.

Im sorry but Obama kept saying he had these plans to cut deficit, blah, blah, blah. Well, he has been in office for 4 years now and he has only increased it more than every other president combined. So much for his plan.... What a joke! It's hard to be in his shoes because saying what he thinks people want to hear but knowing they know the facts and thats the opposite of what he says. I find it hard to believe anything this guy says.

All I have to say is when Paul Ryan debates Joe Biden, that is going to be hilarious! Ryan will wipe the floor with Biden. If I was Biden I wouldnt show up...lol Biden is more of a joke than Obama.

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DEBATES!!!!! What do these silly assed media circuses have to do with being president?????????Iran is building a bomb. Okay, let send our president out to debate their president and decide who wins..... :eek:

Just another example of the sound bite media circus that decides elections. Whose got the best talking head????? Should the best debater be the one that wins the job as president??? :rolleyes:




When the debate idea first started many years ago, I thought it was an excellent idea.


Now the more I see of the debates,
the less I see in them :(

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Originally Posted by Matthew

No doubt Paul Ryan will justify his personal view that rape and incest are not reasons for a woman to have an abortion.

Hilarious, no?

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Well, of course, rape is not a reason to get an abortion.

Cause as everyone knows, when it is a "legitimate rape", a woman can not conceive :rolleyes:

and the tea party keeps on teabaggin.....

Debeates are good and they serve as a reality check on the person, therefore we don't have to rely on" class warfare super- pac laying comercials" to tell us how to place our vote.President's enemy wasn't debate, it was his lack of knowledge and display of his distaste for capitalism and business. We did receive little good news after four years of devastation, that holiday part time t shirt sale type jobs have gone up and magically numbers are better one month before election. Not impressed. I think that president is very likeable guy and in his heart he means well, but it's very clear that he is in over his head when it come to knowledge of business and management skills required to govern.

Which is why in most governments the nitty gritty is left to people who do know what they are doing.

e.g. We have the civil service, who are experts at for example rail franchising... wait.. :s hock:

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Brilliant advert for Obama trashing trickle down ecomomics.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Wackos come in all sizes and shapes. You would be in error to think that there aren't any on your (assumed from your comments) side. Also, do you blame that Congressman or the people who elected him?

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Parties all over the world have wackos from remote areas with extreme positions that are allowed to participate in government because we get who is elected. But they usually serve on the back bench as a sure vote. I blame the Republican party leadership that put this guy on the Science Committee.

Given that I am out the door before 0500 each morning for work, I did not watch last week's debate. Over the weekend I did read a transcript of the debate which one could imagine might put a different spin on things. Reading the words of the debate, neither one really comes off that well, with Obama and Romney both leaving much to be desired. Basically, neither one seemed to help his cause very much, there being no end of gaps and blather in what both stated during the discussion. My impression was that it was generally a waste of time, neither one doing that well. I will say that it was interesting to notice that Romney is steering somewhat back towards the moderate end of things, but that also is more a matter of things being relative given how far to the right Romney has gone to embrace the current ideology of the GOP. Then again, some of responses from Obama regarding what Romney was saying did not seem very strong, often missing opportunities to refute the point and nail Romney to the mat.

Based on what I read, very difficult to impossible to support the ideas that Romney presented and the ways he would handle things. Then again, Obama did not give the type of responses that one would have expected, so can easily see why many give the win in the debate to Romney. Overall, very happy I missed the debate since it seemed be pretty much a snoozefest. That Romney would terminate Big Bird was the highpoint and the only memorable part of the debate says a lot.

Of course, reading the transcript is much different than watching the debate, rather akin to reading a screenplay versus what ends up on the screen. Or reading the book rather than watching the movie.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Ah, yes, because a company either sinks or swims on the basis of its position on the perceived left/right divide, doesn't it?

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Actually it does, A company that relies on Government supports to survive is in deep sh*t when those supports end. On the other hand a company that survives without looting from the taxpayer does much better and has a better chance of survival.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Actually it does, A company that relies on Government supports to survive is in deep sh*t when those supports end. On the other hand a company that survives without looting from the taxpayer does much better and has a better chance of survival.

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I'm sure that there is a statistical basis for this claim. Could you please show some workings or a link?

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Actually it does, A company that relies on Government supports to survive is in deep sh*t when those supports end. On the other hand a company that survives without looting from the taxpayer does much better and has a better chance of survival.

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Where do the defense contractors fit into this equation?