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29th March 2011, 18:15
Sulland

I just remember the last car Prodrive made, it did not exactly have a perfect handling either....... Lets hope they have learned !
29th March 2011, 20:08
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Still I think that this issue has more to do with suspension design concept of Prodrive than with just shock absorbers.

of course Mirek! Ohlins job is not to design minis travel suspension but the shocks.
29th March 2011, 23:22
wildsir

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Originally Posted by dimviii

I wonder how they are going to survive at Acropolis with such limited suspension travel.Hope they fix it properly.

who says there is something wrong? everything is a compromise. longer suspension travel is just not one way traffic, it ultimately compromises geometry. you could create a 'monster truck' or paris-dakar type vechile... ie. a toureg, but its not going to have the precision. Could the recent numerous puncutre be becuase that cars have more much body roll, knocking tyres off rims? time will tell.
30th March 2011, 10:56
rbatista82

Hi,
I should say that Armindo has done a fantastic first day in Portugal. We wasn’t pushing and was doing very fine lines. When you are at the stages you see the DS3’s and Fiesta’s….than suddenly appears Armindo Araújo with the Mini and everyone looks to the guys beside then and… “Is this a rally car?”
LOL, it really looks strange. The engine looks to be very good, but in the fast part’s the Mini really struggle a lot and it looks that the car isn’t so easily driven like it appears.

Let’s wait for the next event.
30th March 2011, 11:10
Motorsportfun

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Originally Posted by rbatista82

The engine looks to be very good, but in the fast part’s the Mini really struggle a lot and it looks that the car isn’t so easily driven like it appears.

Of course, the small S2000 wing didn't gave him good stability in the fast sections. I think that the 4th evolution of the engine and the new big wing will improve the pace and the stability in the fast corners and long straights.
30th March 2011, 13:15
AMSS

mini

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

of course Mirek! Ohlins job is not to design minis travel suspension but the shocks.

didn`t Lapworth say that they have a completely new approach in the dampers that no one has used before, i guess this has something to do with Öhlins. I think that from my personal believes Öhlins are a bit high nosed and think that they can just come back to the rallying scene and immediately be the best as they probably where in the late 90s. But being mor or less away for over 10years has to be noticed somewhere.
Also when looking at club level Öhlins isn`t even comparable anymore to the likes of Reiger, Exe-Tc, Tein and others.
But we`ll see
30th March 2011, 13:49
RS

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Originally Posted by Sulland

I just remember the last car Prodrive made, it did not exactly have a perfect handling either....... Lets hope they have learned !

I seem to remember Prodrive wetting themselves about the dampers they used on the Impreza, and aren't they the ones Citroen now use?
30th March 2011, 13:59
6789

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga

The suspension is the one thing Armindo said it must be developed! And I know that Dani Sordo thinks the same way, cause the car looses big amounts of traction with the little suspension travel!

Yes that's right. It's hard to get traction with one wheel in the air.

Even a rally Turkey with the massive rocks would be tough for this car. The Citroens have massive wheel travel but still remain relatively flat in corners. More development should fix this. They should flare the guards and have one muffler too.

So only a few items on my wish list lol :)
30th March 2011, 16:10
AMSS

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Originally Posted by RS

I seem to remember Prodrive wetting themselves about the dampers they used on the Impreza, and aren't they the ones Citroen now use?

Citroen uses their own dampers but are buying parts from Bos and Exe-tc, but all development and assembling is made in house as far as i know!
30th March 2011, 16:27
OldF

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga

The suspension is the one thing Armindo said it must be developed! And I know that Dani Sordo thinks the same way, cause the car looses big amounts of traction with the little suspension travel!

What can they do then not changing the geometry of the suspension. If they change the geometry isn’t there a lot of testing again to find the right setups?

In this short video you can see part of the suspension. Is there anything wrong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayoyj...layer_embedded

Prodrive could be in hurry also to get the engine ready.

64. MECHANICAL COMPONENTS – MANUFACTURERS AND WRC TEAMS

64.1 LIMITATION OF THE NUMBER OF ENGINES
64.1.1 After the 01/05/2011 each Manufacturer or a WRC Team must use no more than 2 engines per
car for the rest of the season (ie: 2 engines per car for 9 Rallies).

64.4 RESTRICTION OF ENGINE PARTS DEVELOPMENT
As development of the engine is controlled, a box of the parts listed below will be sealed by the FIA
together with the registered Manufacturer or WRC Team and placed in a location acceptable to both
parties. This will be carried out at the latest before the 1/05/2011.
- Valves.
- Pistons.
- Valve springs.
- Camshafts (with profile).
- Cylinder head ready to race.
- Homologated cylinder block
- High pressure fuel pump
- Exhaust and intake manifolds
- All other engine parts already homologated.
- Compression ratio details with tolerance.
The parts registered do not necessarily have to be new, but they must be representative, in every respect,
of the parts to be used in the rallies throughout the season.

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