The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by ioan

But the chassis will be different from this year's one, plus this year's car never really behaved great so the data is pretty much useless if you want to do a better car.
Also the tires will be different next season.

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so if they no this year is bad, the data will be useful to know what they should be aiming for/to avoid.

and for all the shouting, the car has not turned out all that bad - consisitent points scorer, race winner, albeit a tricky handler, but once the team leabned to set it up well and Kimi and Massa got to grips with its nuances they got some decent results. it might not be what Ferrari should be, but it wasn't a disaster either

there is enough carry over in the rules that this years experience will still be useful

Data about a crap car is still useful data - it does at least teach you what not to do.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

so if they no this year is bad, the data will be useful to know what they should be aiming for/to avoid.

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How exactly?

When you have a concept that works like a dream you know you are spot on and you can use it to develop a better one from it.
When you have a bad one you can not use it to build on it and you can not use it to produce a new concept either cause you don't know what's wrong otherwise you wouldn't have come up with a dud in the first instance.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

and for all the shouting, the car has not turned out all that bad - consisitent points scorer, race winner, albeit a tricky handler, but once the team leabned to set it up well and Kimi and Massa got to grips with its nuances they got some decent results. it might not be what Ferrari should be, but it wasn't a disaster either

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The car didn't have enough potential to develop into a championship contender, thus in the F1 world it's a failure. I'm sorry to say it because I loved it's looks ever since it was launched, but it basically is a failure.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

there is enough carry over in the rules that this years experience will still be useful

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Like having 4 wheels (albeit different dimension and compound tires), an engine but probably without KERS, front and rear wings but with different shapes and with different relative positions, different minimum weight, no more refueling, most probably a longer wheelbase etc...

Looks like they did the right choice to go for a completely new concept.

you'd argue to the death if anyone questions anything remotely Ferrrai wouldn't you. apologies for questioning the oracle and guardian of all knowledge Ferrrari.

you know best. the team will ignore everything from this year, good or bad. if they do then they deserve to repeat their mistakes - as do you

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Originally Posted by Robinho

you'd argue to the death if anyone questions anything remotely Ferrrai wouldn't you. apologies for questioning the oracle and guardian of all knowledge Ferrrari.

you know best. the team will ignore everything from this year, good or bad. if they do then they deserve to repeat their mistakes - as do you

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I see your technical knowledge came to an end and now you're starting attacking me because I'm a Ferrari fan.

Are you a Ferrari fan? No? Don't post around here just for the sake of trolling.

i'm not trolling, i was raising a discussion based on a few thoughts i had, nothing more - i'm not trying to re-write history or telling anyone what they should be doing, only sharing what i thought about the possible advatgae in knowledge Ferrari may gain from carrying Kers this year.

i'd be very surprised if they have learned nothing form this, i'm not suggesting they design there whole car around this, only that they may use this experience when approaching some elements of the car - is it really that massive a leap to consider? rather than attacking my technical knowledge, which i assume makes you feel superior

you are the one who has gone all defensive just because its Ferrari rather than entertaining a discussion. i'm not attacking you because your a Ferrari fan. i'm an F1 fan and Ferrari is part of that, i'm interested in what they are doing and i think they might take something fomr this years experience into next year - god forbid i actually say something controversial

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Originally Posted by Robinho

i'm not trolling, i was raising a discussion based on a few thoughts i had, nothing more

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And I was answering it in very civilized terms just to find myself attacked in your previous post. I call that trolling.

Garry was right, this year's car is not a good basis of any kind for next season and I'm yet to see you prove the contrary with some tangible technical proof.

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Originally Posted by ioan

And I was answering it in very civilized terms just to find myself attacked in your previous post. I call that trolling.

Garry was right, this year's car is not a good basis of any kind for next season and I'm yet to see you prove the contrary with some tangible technical proof.

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i'll agree to disagree, cos we're going nowhere here.

i never said this years car was going to be a basis for next year, only that the team may have learnt a few things about carrying weight that might be useful next year. now you want technical proof - presumabley next years car, something i think even you, Mike Coughlan or Nigel Stepney would struggle to show.

if you took my post as an atack then i apologise as it wasn't one, perhaps you share more in common with Mr Button and his suppsoed frame of mind if you feel under attack.

i'll carry on in my blissful ignorance and wonder if there is anything to be gained from the experience of carrying Kers this year - i expect we'll probably never get tangible technical proof one way of the other unless someone from the team says it was not usefule, or something they learned from.

don't take it so personally, i'm only wondering about things

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Originally Posted by Robinho

i'll agree to disagree, cos we're going nowhere here.

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Agreed.

Why does it seem that Ferrari fans are now badmouthing Kimi?

First, he's the wonder child kicking butt at Spa. The car wasn't even that great all season long and Kimster still managed to win! Now Satander steps in and decides to shoehorn Alonso into a Ferrari.

Now the Tifosi are mad at the Finn. Not good enough? 1 WDC and 2 WCC.

Yeah, what a loser. :rolleyes: