Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

It's a good thing something like this didn't happen in NASCAR. Jesse, Al and Barack would be screaming, "It's racism!" :p

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

This thread could easily be closed if my question would or could be answered:

How far back should a car be after giving up a position gained by using a part of the ground that isn't considering the race track?

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Tough question to answer , Mr. Jones .
It must be deemed that the driver gains no advantage from the off-track move .
At different speeds this will always be different .
In this case , Hamilton has admitted that he had a tow in the slipstream , and the stewards perhaps saw this as less likely , had he stayed on track behind in the chicane .

It's got to be a judgement call in every case .

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

Ioan and Bagwan..are you guys willing to give your thoughts about Kimi's action at the start (1st corner)..see me earlier posts...and maybe explain me the difference between that action and lewis ??? Both went of the track...doing it themself..Not forced of (like been said for lewis)...and also kimi clearly gaining advantage...thx in advance !

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I have been discussing whether or not Lewis gained advantage , not whether the stewards are consistant in penalties .

It is normal and a matter of course to complain to the stewards about such matters , and since the teams have not issued protest about that move at te first corner , we must surmise that what occurred was also normal and a matter of course .

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Originally Posted by ioan

:up: Someone had to say it!

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I should be saying it to my pal , Mickey T , who dissed my opinion because it didn't sound credible beside Lauda's .
Lauda said that Lewis had no tow , and Lewis , himself said he did .

Who you gonna believe ? Me and Lewis , or old , mouldy Lauda ?

Wrong desicion. I would be happy for anyone to win the championship except hamilton because of the Alonso issue last season but the 25 sec penalty is ridiculous! evidence is shown that hamilton had no advantage! this is going to yet again fuel rumors of ferrari - FIA, Brothers in Arms. However i think that hamliton should not have said that raikkonen "pushed him" in the press conference because that for all to see, is untrue, RAIKKONEN HAD THE ****** RACING LINE AND WAS ALREADY HALFWAY THROUGH THE CORNER. I also think that hamilton needs to curb his attitude and composure asap to avoid stupid mistakes, bad track behaviour and comments if he is to become champ in any future years.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I have been discussing whether or not Lewis gained advantage , not whether the stewards are consistant in penalties .

It is normal and a matter of course to complain to the stewards about such matters , and since the teams have not issued protest about that move at te first corner , we must surmise that what occurred was also normal and a matter of course .

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ever thought of goin into politics bagwan ? You would do great ! ;-)

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Originally Posted by Son of Gobber

also think that hamilton needs to curb his attitude and composure asap to avoid stupid mistakes, bad track behaviour and comments if he is to become champ in any future years.

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Hamilton is a real racer who takes every oportunity to pass cars or at least make an attempt...sometimes it works..sometimes it doesn't...That's racing...But that's why I like him so much...Because he goes for it at every occasion...I don't see why you call that bad track behaviour....or how many cases you can show me where he really pushed of any other cars during his F1 career so far ? deliberately that is....

Trulli Reckons Hamilton Deserved Penalty
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2008

Toyota driver Jarno Trulli believes that the stewards were right to hand Lewis Hamilton a 25 second penalty at the end of the Belgian Grand Prix for gaining an illegal advantage after cutting the bus stop chicane.

The hot topic of F1 at the moment has been brought into the media spotlight as many reckon it was a bad choice to penalise the British driver, but Trulli reckons that other circumstances would have led him not to cut the corner or indeed encourage others to do the same.

“In my opinion Hamilton got an advantage by cutting the chicane,” Trulli told Gazzetta dello Sport. “Had he stayed on the road, he wouldn’t have had the speed to overtake the Ferrari.

“In the same way at Monza someone could cut the first chicane, catch a rival’s draft, and overtake him under braking at Roggia.

“When you attack on the outside, you do it at your own risk, because who’s on the inside has the right to do the corner. If there isn’t enough room, then you lift.

“Had there been a wall there, instead of the surfaced escape route, would Lewis have attacked anyway? Had there been gravel, he wouldn’t have had the chance to attack when rejoining the track because of dirty tyres.”

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Tough question to answer , Mr. Jones .
It must be deemed that the driver gains no advantage from the off-track move .
At different speeds this will always be different .
In this case , Hamilton has admitted that he had a tow in the slipstream , and the stewards perhaps saw this as less likely , had he stayed on track behind in the chicane .

It's got to be a judgement call in every case .

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I disagree.

Judgement is subjective isn't it.

Shouldn't race control have the final say?

Surely if race control confirm you are OK, then you are?

Oh and Jarno has an opinion too ! Is Jarno trulli Italian ? is Ferrari Italian? Lets all stick together.Just whereabouts was Jarno when this happened OR did he see it just the same as us all on film
Ralph says its wrong,Niki says its wrong,and they are not italian ,so therefore not biassed