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25th July 2011, 13:26
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I don't understand the obsession with speed on road cars. Maybe my opinion will change when I own something with more power or have enough free time to do track days, and if I was buying a car with the intention of using it for track days I'd get a Caterham or Westfield. But when a modern 1.2 supermini is comfortable at 85mph on the outside lane of a motorway, a young expensive to insure driver can't justify the cost of a fast car.

I'm sorry, but if you think your GP is "comfortable" @ 85mph then I'll have what you're smoking!!!!!
25th July 2011, 14:29
Brown, Jon Brow

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I'm sorry, but if you think your GP is "comfortable" @ 85mph then I'll have what you're smoking!!!!!

More comfortable than walking.
25th July 2011, 14:59
Retro Formula 1

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Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1

Well, looked like a Rat was screaming round the track today. Hope he gets a bit more forward momentum rather than sideways on his fastest lap. Also a bit of fun with a F1.

Sorry, I should have said F1 lookalike.

Don't know if it's still there but Hams military vehicle was still parked around the corner Thursday. Wonder if they've forgotten about it. Finders keepers :D
25th July 2011, 15:42
MrJan

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Originally Posted by Daniel

There are still people like Jon who want something like a Jag which isn't as good as the opposition ;)

How many people that own a GT-R or an XKR would be able to actually tell the difference, in terms of speed, when on the road?

I agree with Jon, not on the Jag part but on the GT-R just not doing it for me. Yes it has brutal acceleration, yes it has great torque and road holding, but it's still leaves me feeling 'meh'. A tidy MK1 Mexico would be left for dead by a GT-R, but that doesn't mean I don't want one more than the Nissan. An E-Type would be blown into the weeds but guess what, yup I'd rather own one than the GT-R (in fact I'd be willing to pay over the odds if it was a choice between the two). F*** me, if I had 70k burning a hole in my pocket I'd rather knock it all on one of these Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV Bertone for sale, classic cars for sale uk (Car: 141870) than to chuck it on the GT-R.

And ultimately, as pointed out, it's pointless in the UK. Even my less than a grand, 160bhp (when new) falling apart 'Jap crap' will exceed the NSL before I hit the redline in 2nd gear.

And you know the thing that really brings it home for me? The GT-R is the sensible choice, not in terms of all cars available, but in comparison to the XKR and ones that I've listed above. And I just can't bring myself to make the sensible choice when it comes to cars, it all comes down to what feels right. That's why I'm still spunking my money on fuel for a car that runs on petrol, 8 months or so since I decided that I needed a diesel that was cheap to run. It's why I've repeatedly made silly offers on diesel cars that will never be accepted, and it's why I've repeatedly walked away and got back into my impractical 2-seater that I can't really afford.

Anywhoo, I enjoyed TG last night. It was ridiculous and stupid but if that's not what you want then it's been clear for the last 5 years that Top Gear isn't the show for you. Now to scour the internet and buy a tank, shame it'll get beaten off the lights by some guy in a Skyline ;)
25th July 2011, 17:56
Brown, Jon Brow

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

How many people that own a GT-R or an XKR would be able to actually tell the difference, in terms of speed, when on the road?

I agree with Jon, not on the Jag part but on the GT-R just not doing it for me. Yes it has brutal acceleration, yes it has great torque and road holding, but it's still leaves me feeling 'meh'. A tidy MK1 Mexico would be left for dead by a GT-R, but that doesn't mean I don't want one more than the Nissan. An E-Type would be blown into the weeds but guess what, yup I'd rather own one than the GT-R (in fact I'd be willing to pay over the odds if it was a choice between the two). F*** me, if I had 70k burning a hole in my pocket I'd rather knock it all on one of these Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV Bertone for sale, classic cars for sale uk (Car: 141870) than to chuck it on the GT-R.

And ultimately, as pointed out, it's pointless in the UK. Even my less than a grand, 160bhp (when new) falling apart 'Jap crap' will exceed the NSL before I hit the redline in 2nd gear.

And you know the thing that really brings it home for me? The GT-R is the sensible choice, not in terms of all cars available, but in comparison to the XKR and ones that I've listed above. And I just can't bring myself to make the sensible choice when it comes to cars, it all comes down to what feels right. That's why I'm still spunking my money on fuel for a car that runs on petrol, 8 months or so since I decided that I needed a diesel that was cheap to run. It's why I've repeatedly made silly offers on diesel cars that will never be accepted, and it's why I've repeatedly walked away and got back into my impractical 2-seater that I can't really afford.

Anywhoo, I enjoyed TG last night. It was ridiculous and stupid but if that's not what you want then it's been clear for the last 5 years that Top Gear isn't the show for you. Now to scour the internet and buy a tank, shame it'll get beaten off the lights by some guy in a Skyline ;)

If speed and performance is so important than why not buy a Caterham R500 for £30k less than the GTR?
25th July 2011, 19:23
Mark

That's a good point. If you want a track day car, then you might as well buy a real track car.

There are plenty of road cars with more than enough power to be fun but you don't have to have a supercar.
25th July 2011, 19:32
CaptainRaiden

I don't think people are getting the point. We're only talking about those two cars there, not the whole market. Of course, I would never even think about buying any of those. But let's say, hypothetically, you had 100,000 GBP and you wanted to buy a 2-door coupe supercar. You narrowed it down to those two cars. If you are a Brit, and you love the look of the Jag, are you willing to pay 30,000 GBP extra for a car that is technically inferior but looks prettier?

Or even 5000-6000 GBP more for a technically inferior, but better looking car?
25th July 2011, 19:43
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Mark

That's a good point. If you want a track day car, then you might as well buy a real track car.

There are plenty of road cars with more than enough power to be fun but you don't have to have a supercar.

But the segment wasn't strictly about the use of the car on a track. Handling and acceleration translate to the real world as well.

I can have fun on the road in my 500, heck there's a lot more fun to be had in the Subaru with almost 2 times the power but to be let loose in a GTR on the road would be fun.
25th July 2011, 19:52
Daniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by barryfullalove

How many people that own a GT-R or an XKR would be able to actually tell the difference, in terms of speed, when on the road?

I agree with Jon, not on the Jag part but on the GT-R just not doing it for me. Yes it has brutal acceleration, yes it has great torque and road holding, but it's still leaves me feeling 'meh'. A tidy MK1 Mexico would be left for dead by a GT-R, but that doesn't mean I don't want one more than the Nissan. An E-Type would be blown into the weeds but guess what, yup I'd rather own one than the GT-R (in fact I'd be willing to pay over the odds if it was a choice between the two). F*** me, if I had 70k burning a hole in my pocket I'd rather knock it all on one of these Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV Bertone for sale, classic cars for sale uk (Car: 141870) than to chuck it on the GT-R.

And ultimately, as pointed out, it's pointless in the UK. Even my less than a grand, 160bhp (when new) falling apart 'Jap crap' will exceed the NSL before I hit the redline in 2nd gear.

And you know the thing that really brings it home for me? The GT-R is the sensible choice, not in terms of all cars available, but in comparison to the XKR and ones that I've listed above. And I just can't bring myself to make the sensible choice when it comes to cars, it all comes down to what feels right. That's why I'm still spunking my money on fuel for a car that runs on petrol, 8 months or so since I decided that I needed a diesel that was cheap to run. It's why I've repeatedly made silly offers on diesel cars that will never be accepted, and it's why I've repeatedly walked away and got back into my impractical 2-seater that I can't really afford.

Anywhoo, I enjoyed TG last night. It was ridiculous and stupid but if that's not what you want then it's been clear for the last 5 years that Top Gear isn't the show for you. Now to scour the internet and buy a tank, shame it'll get beaten off the lights by some guy in a Skyline ;)

Christ almighty that 105 is overpriced and it's not even a particularly pretty one with the ugly stepped 2000 GTV grille.

Tbh I don't think I'll ever buy a diesel car. Petrol is just so much more fun and with the advancements of late petrols can be pretty economical too if you drive them right. Putting diesel in your car is just such a joyless way to go motoring IMHO.
25th July 2011, 21:11
MrJan

Likewise the development of diesel engines means that they're getting much more fun to drive, you just have to drive it in a different way.

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