People Power

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Did I say your name? No! I'm refering to the protesters worldwide who bitch about everything, protesting, disrupting others lives and get nothing done etc etc, d!ckhead. There, now you can be justifiably offended.

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A few of those people are my friends, so yes, I am offended that you should choose to lump these hard-working, intelligent people in with everyone else. They're not as rude as you either.

And calling my post (which is my opinion that I am entitled to) utter rubbish, baseless, exaggerated and falsely accusing me of calling / insinuating that you are a communist is polite? If I am rude you are also cut from the same cloth then.

Go argue with a mirror.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

And calling my post (which is my opinion that I am entitled to) utter rubbish, baseless, exaggerated and falsely accusing me of calling / insinuating that you are a communist is polite? If I am rude you are also cut from the same cloth then.

Go argue with a mirror.

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I didn't resort to offensive language like you, and put my objection politely. But anyway, this discussion is fruitless.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I didn't resort to offensive language like you, and put my objection politely. But anyway, this discussion is fruitless.

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If that was your polite I would hate to see the opposite. Like you say, fruitless.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

If that was your polite I would hate to see the opposite.

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Whatever you say.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

If it is such a concern to all of us...

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Clearly it is not.

From my perspective I view it as inherently unfair (an old fashioned condept I know); not that there are wealthy people in the world you understand (that tends to be a common misconception), but that there is an ever increasing gap for no justifiable reason. We've all see the figures in this thread. What justification is there for the ever more pronounced disparity between production worker and CEO?

The argument goes that it's the free market, and everyone could become a CEO and earn lots of money. Two failings to that argument: 1) not everyone could and 2) if they did who would produce the goods that make the profits?

The free market simply does not value the different contributions of people equitably.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I don't see any concern at all. If someone wants the big dollars too, they should go and get them, not expect someone to deliver them on a silver platter with a Hallmark card saying "here you go mate".

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With this I pretty much agree. But my point is to try and see what these people who think it's unfair, a tragedy, a crisis, etc. want to do about it. Do they genuinly want Communism, or is there some other way they see?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

With this I pretty much agree. But my point is to try and see what these people who think it's unfair, a tragedy, a crisis, etc. want to do about it. Do they genuinly want Communism, or is there some other way they see?

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Again, you 'jump the shark' with your references to Communism. Honestly, do you see no middle ground between unfettered capitalism and Communism at all?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

From my perspective I view it as inherently unfair (an old fashioned condept I know); not that there are wealthy people in the world you understand (that tends to be a common misconception), but that there is an ever increasing gap for no justifiable reason. We've all see the figures in this thread. What justification is there for the ever more pronounced disparity between production worker and CEO?

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Why is this (gap) inherently unfair? Are workers on the lower end of the scale forced to work for "unfair" wages? Is there something unfairly holding these people "down"?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

The argument goes that it's the free market, and everyone could become a CEO and earn lots of money. Two failings to that argument: 1) not everyone could and 2) if they did who would produce the goods that make the profits?

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Clearly everyone can not become a CEO. Some simply are not cut out for such work. So if you do not possess the ability, desire, skills, luck, etc to be a CEO, why should you be paid as one?

Your second point is a staw man argument. Basically it is suggesting that no one should be a CEO, we should all somehow be workers. If that were the case, where would the capital come from to run the business? Who would spend the time and energy it takes to set up, and run the company? There has to be CEOs (managment), and there has to be workers (labor). Both are important in their own rights.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

The free market simply does not value the different contributions of people equitably.

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This is simply false. The free market pays for labor at the rate in which the market will support. Think of it this way, would you pump sh!t out of someone's septic tank for $1 a day? Probably not, so the market forces drive the labor rate for this job up.



But yet again, you have failed to address what should be done to fix this "problem". Should governments confiscate income from the "wealthy" and simply give it to the "poor"? How do you define "wealthy" and "poor"? Or do you propose some type of cap on income? How much is that cap? Who gets to decide what that cap is? How is capping or confiscating someones wealth fair?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Again, you 'jump the shark' with your references to Communism. Honestly, do you see no middle ground between unfettered capitalism and Communism at all?

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Come on Ben read my post. I asked do these people genuinly want Communism, or is there some other way? Apparently you believe that there is some other way, a middle ground as you call it. Yet I have yet to see you or anyone else explain how this "middle ground" would work.

Please enlighten me. I really do want to know what you think this "middle ground" is.