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9th September 2008, 16:51
Mickey T

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'll take this opinion over Lauda's anytime. He also gives us a chance to know what is expected from the driver in such cases when he cuts the chicane.

Thanks a lot for posting this quote!

wow, massa endorses a stewards' move that gifted him an undeserved race win and moves him much closer to the world championship lead.

he is also, like all of them, on a dollars for places deal, so he also benefits financially.

so he is the major beneficiary of the decision, plus the incident involved his team mate, with whom he has sided.

that'll be an impartial opinion, then...
9th September 2008, 16:52
Tonieke

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

"When I had a look around the outside at the chicane , we almost had an accident and I needed to steer left to avoid him ." -Lewis

"I got in his tow..." -Lewis

"Fortunately , I got back in his slipstream..." -Lewis

He "had a look" .
Then he got a "tow" .

Lewis says he got an advantage .
But , I don't think Lewis knows he says he got an advantage .
He should really have a talk with him about this .
Maybe he could have a talk with Lauda , too .

Ioan and Bagwan..are you guys willing to give your thoughts about Kimi's action at the start (1st corner)..see me earlier posts...and maybe explain me the difference between that action and lewis ??? Both went of the track...doing it themself..Not forced of (like been said for lewis)...and also kimi clearly gaining advantage...thx in advance !
9th September 2008, 16:54
ioan

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

"Shut up , Lauda . " - bagwan .

:up: Someone had to say it!
9th September 2008, 16:56
Tonieke

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Originally Posted by ioan

Than you agree that by not going off the track Massa and Heidfeld are rightfully 1st and 2nd after the race?!

well yes..But only if penalties where handed out in the very same way on every race this season..and the same for every team...and don't think that's the case ?
9th September 2008, 17:11
ioan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey T

wow, massa endorses a stewards' move that gifted him an undeserved race win and moves him much closer to the world championship lead.

he is also, like all of them, on a dollars for places deal, so he also benefits financially.

so he is the major beneficiary of the decision, plus the incident involved his team mate, with whom he has sided.

that'll be an impartial opinion, then...

If you didn't bother reading the comment by Massa, then why bother posting about it?
What I liked in Massa's comments was the part about the drivers briefing and the description of what is expected form a driver in case he cuts a chicane and gains an unfair advantage from doing so.
This is the first time anyone was able to tell us what Hamilton should have done. And the answer from the Hammy fanatics is that Massa is biased, like if you aren't! :rolleyes:
9th September 2008, 17:12
ioan

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

well yes..But only if ...

What IF? What BUT?

YES or NO?
9th September 2008, 17:18
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by ioan

If you didn't bother reading the comment by Massa, then why bother posting about it?
What I liked in Massa's comments was the part about the drivers briefing and the description of what is expected form a driver in case he cuts a chicane and gains an unfair advantage from doing so.
This is the first time anyone was able to tell us what Hamilton should have done. And the answer from the Hammy fanatics is that Massa is biased, like if you aren't! :rolleyes:

I too am getting weary of this thread. But I would add that everybody would seem to think that the penalty was a surprise given the fact that there is almost no precedent for it under these circumstances, which, in their basic form, are not unique.

Oh, and ioan - can you honestly say that your opinions on this subject would be exactly the same had a Ferrari driver been penalised? I think we ought to know in the interests of fairness.
9th September 2008, 17:20
Tonieke

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Originally Posted by ioan

What IF? What BUT?

YES or NO?

I stick with my previous comment...If FIA have been handing out penalties the same all season as they did in Spa..iow..being consequent in there decissions...I say yes..YES (in case you not read it)Massa deserved the win...

But than again kimi should have gotten a drive through at the start to..and the race would have looked totaly different from the start..so that's why I not just say YES or NO !
9th September 2008, 17:28
ioan

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I too am getting weary of this thread. But I would add that everybody would seem to think that the penalty was a surprise given the fact that there is almost no precedent for it under these circumstances, which, in their basic form, are not unique.

Oh, and ioan - can you honestly say that your opinions on this subject would be exactly the same had a Ferrari driver been penalised? I think we ought to know in the interests of fairness.

My opinion is that the stewards didn't act in the right way, and I can't judge it any more than this because I don't have the data. I refer you to my previous posts, starting with the very first page of this thread. You'll see that I never said that Hamilton was guilty and rightly punished!

So, what exactly should my opinion be if it was a Ferrari driver? :p :

You see, you are judging me without knowing the facts first! ;)
9th September 2008, 17:55
N. Jones

This thread could easily be closed if my question would or could be answered:

How far back should a car be after giving up a position gained by using a part of the ground that isn't considering the race track?

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