2008 Rally New Zealand - official thread

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I'll say it again. No one is really whinging about the Ford Abu Scooby Dooby Doo team using tactics but about Wilson using cars from a satellite team as if they were part of his team. Team orders are fine. But using another team is not. Imagine the outcry if Ferrari got another team to impede McLaren or someone in a race or qualifying session?

Telling your own drivers to slow down is fine and well within the rules and I accept that even if I don't like it. But using Henning and Galli is something that should really be looked at. If Malcolm wants to run a 4 car team then he should. He shouldn't however use drivers from another supposedly independant team. You either have a 4 car team or two 2 car teams.... not both.

These rules have this year and in previous years made for some of the worst rallying ever. People will point to the margins the rallies are won by but it's all so artificial and carefully orchestrated that unless you're one of these people who just supports a team or a driver it's boring from a sporting point of view. It's not even clever..... F1 pit strategies can be clever but telling your drivers to fall back behind the leader so they get a better road position? Any 5 year old could work that one out.

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Daniel wake up into the real world that is what the Stobart team is there for to SUPPORT the WORKS team and dont insult me by telling me that Citroen would'nt fo the same!!!

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Originally Posted by ste898

Daniel wake up into the real world that is what the Stobart team is there for to SUPPORT the WORKS team and dont insult me by telling me that Citroen would'nt fo the same!!!

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Truth is that they would love to do, but Aava and Rautenbach (in spite of all) aren't close to lead drivers so often :p !

Malcolm. In the past teams like Peugeot had teams with a few drivers to support the top drivers. Stobart is a totally different team. Perhaps Citroen might do the same but the thing is they haven't. That's like grouping murderers along with people who might just murder someone some day.

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Originally Posted by Helstar

Truth is that they would love to do, but Aava and Rautenbach (in spite of all) aren't close to lead drivers so often :p !

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and if they did that I would be just as critical of them.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Malcolm. In the past teams like Peugeot had teams with a few drivers to support the top drivers. Stobart is a totally different team. Perhaps Citroen might do the same but the thing is they haven't. That's like grouping murderers along with people who might just murder someone some day.

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Stobarts is the Ford M2 team (Manufacturer 2) if you look in the service area it is run from the M-Sport trucks with same hospitality and yet you say it is a different team?
If Ford pull the plug then Stobarts could be the top Ford team!!!

It's not uncommon for a works team to run a program on behalf of another team. It's still a different team.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

and if they did that I would be just as critical of them.

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Oh yes, like Loeb today tactics. You would blame Ford as always ^^

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Originally Posted by Helstar

Oh yes, like Loeb today tactics. You would blame Ford as always ^^

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You don't get it do you? You said that if Aava and Rautencrash were good enough Citroen would do the same and I said IF they did I would be just as critical of them. So then you say "Like Loeb today tactics" which is absolutely nothing like what you were talking about before. Stop putting words in my mouth........ I don't accuse you of saying things you haven't and I'll be happy if you do the same for me thanks.....

Citroen have NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER used another team in their team orders to give their drivers an advantage in road position. Ford have and I don't like it at all! If Citroen did it I wouldn't like that at all. Thing is Citroen haven't done it yet and you'll just have to take my word on it.

One NZ related question - when does next stage begin?

In half an hour.