They are already allowed in several national championships, why would they ban them then, after their active-period? :rolleyes:
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They are already allowed in several national championships, why would they ban them then, after their active-period? :rolleyes:
Can You tell me in which national championship the current WRC cars are eligible to score points?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Why points, just participate...because its a beast of a car to drive if one can.
But to answer your question, in Estonia and Latvia definitely, can`t find about Norway atm, though Ostberg in 2018 should offer an answer somewhere.
No points for any WRC here, Østberg said he spent his whole vacation trying to be allowed to drive Rally Hedemarken in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
We have class 13 where you can drive up to old Gr.A and N4 out of homologation for points.
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Originally Posted by Tarmop
Because being allowed in the championship = being eligible for points. I'm sorry but being allowed to drive for fun is something very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Well, that is 2 states of 50 which is very tiny number (I am quite certain that no country of the mainland Europe allows them and that the Islands are no exception, I don't know about Nordic countries though).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Mainland allows also, You probably have read about Katsuta and Huttunen practising in Findland...without points definitely... not anything is about winning...especially some "village" championship, with driver levels from "worse than a granny, but lots of money" to a pro with nothing else to do in daily life. I bet there are many rich people who think the same...some maybe even want one to sit in the garage...
Also a good donor for RX probably, has also national championships.
I would prefer to stick with technically more precise terms because being alowed in the championship means that you are part of it. If you don't take points you are not part of the championship even if you drive on the same stages in the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Like it or not that is a huge difference especially in regards to the future of these cars. It's much more realistic to expect them to end in private collections than on stages fighting for national championships.
We`ll see.
You could in theory use one in UK national championship https://www.btrdarally.com/wp-conten...-RC-Reg_v2.pdf
Careful - that isn't the UK National Championship. It's a club championship of the British Trials and Rally Drivers Association Ltd. The UK National Champiionship is Brittish Rally Championship which doesn't permit WRC cars, current or obsolete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brynmor Pierce
Tomato / tomato but that’s pulling at semantics now, you and I both know the level of competition that exists in Btrda, the Brc is no more national by virtue of having to be registered competitors ( just like btrda).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
My point is that in the UK you could use a new WRC car on a championship that covers the country.
Will the hybrid rules make the cars even faster, or could the current cars beat them?
Hybrids might generate additional power, so maybe drivers could use it sort of like DRS in F1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Googol
How in the hell does DRS give more power?
Think he meant like the KERS system, where it gives an additional boost of power at the press of a button. That would then give drivers a strategy as where would be best to deploy it, like uphill sections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
Even if the WRCars are allowed in places, who is going to be able to afford to buy and run them (especially the parts, like aero) ?
Most people running WRC"s privately now are old Subarus and Focus's.
One solution would be to run the current WRC cars with a restrictor to ensure they won't be faster than the hybrid cars.
Quite many, probably. You have to remember, that nationals are nationals (= no longhauls, 1/3 or more shorter events with less maintenance, maybe, most probably smoother roads, due to the fact that there aren`t 10+ WRCs with top druvers tearing them, own crew etc). There is that money issue, yes, but if there is a market, the prices will come own a bit, repairs can be made (like today privateers do)...or run them in RX and replicate the aero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
on rally Sweden I heard something, that hybrid systems could/will be used on liaisons..
Most likely nothing has been decided yet, but ideas are being thrown.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
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Originally Posted by Norm75
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant
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Originally Posted by TypeR
If the system is about to be used only on the liaisons it will be nothing but a useless ballast on the stage. I seriously doubt such idea could ever pass through.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...in-hyundai-wrc
Loeb to contest two national rallies in Hyundai i20 World Rally Car
Nine-time World Rally champion Sebastien Loeb will contest a pair of upcoming national rallies in a Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC, starting with next week's Rallye Vosges French Rally Championship round.
Tarmac rallies?Quote:
Originally Posted by NickRally
Yes. Remember that this is old news, these entries were already announced some weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Yes it's quite old news.
It's perfectly logical that they use Loeb for that, since it's on tarmac that the car lacks the most. (Finland is just one rally)
They did quite a lot of testing before Corsica and while Neuville and Sordo were prbly a bit faster than before, it was still on the level of 4-5th place on pure speed. Loeb was terrible (relative to his tarmac skills) and a few levels slower than the year before in C3.
But as far as I can see there won't be anyone to compare against at these two rallies so hard to say what they get from it. Maybe just "free" testing kms without direct time comparison. Though you don't need to look on times to see the typical massive understeer.
Yesterday-today some Spanish portals have started writing about Alonso-Yaris WRC-RACC. Not your usual reliable sources and wouldn`t expect them to be true, but like he said, stays in the TGR family, but not in the WEC team.
So why are those running WRC's (in the UK at least) not running the 2016 cars ? Because even they are too expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Well, if you put it that way, then I can ask you why does mr. Gross drive a private 17WRC in Estonian/Latvian nationals? There have been private outings of M-Sport cars elsewhere also, though they have been rentals from M-Sport/JanPro. All those 50 (+-1-2) Fiesta RS WRCs are also privateer cars now (+some DS3-s, I20-s, something else you said shouldn`t be happening ("all drive old Subbies and Focus`", that was, what you said I believe?)
Rally is expensive, no doubt about that, but wait a bit, let the cars themselves be cheaper (for sure, at the moment, being THE car, it is more pricey to buy-run).
How are the cars themselves going to be cheaper? To buy, of course, but to maintain? If that car is new, or 10 years old, you need to rebuild or replace expensive parts every xxx kms. And as long as you're going to M-Sport or Prodrive, for revision and parts, it's going to stay extremely expensive. At least that's the experience from some people who have owned previous generation WRC cars a couple of years ago. ;) There's a reason all those old WRC cars, S2000 cars and S1600 cars have disappeared so fast, they're still expensive to maintain, and for the same (or little more) running cost you can have a quicker modern car.
And a person like Gross isn't the norm... How many people like him do you have in Europe?
Quite many probably. List of last weeks WRC (pre-17) starters is also quite good indication. Some of whom have severla cars. Yes, you can say that old WRCs, S2000s, even R5s are fading away, because for the same money a faster/all in all a more better car is available, but...im pretty sure that today is the time, where (fully) internal combustion rallycars aren`t going to get faster. An a use for them can be found amongst privateers, be it stagerallying, RX, hillclimbing or whatever.
https://www.thebestf1.es/fernando-al...ota-yaris-wrc/
I have no clue about the credibility of either this website or story, but if it were true could be cool to see...
Gross is the exception and a pretty sad case , buying a 2017-spec WRC to beat the others in R5's.
Renting a WRC for a WRC event is ok but how many have done that ? One or two.
And we were talking about the future when WRC is hybrid, so no more 2017 cars will be allowed in those events. And ditto WRX.
And those shoppingmalls full of German flagships with soccermoms...super-/hypercars touring around Monaco. All pointless and unnecessary, but... just pure jelousy i believe. :D
You are completely delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Of course they can be faster. But is there any sense to make the by far fastest ever cars even faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Portimao
But restricting the current cars and thinking someone would bother using them would be even more ridiculous than the Trophy was.
The upcoming FIA World Council on Friday, June 14th, should unveil the future of the WRC and the possibility of hybrid technology landing on world championship rally cars.
FIA Director of Rallies Yves Matton confirmed that several manufacturers are interested in this project for the future generation of WRCs scheduled for 2022.
"The project will be submitted to the WRC commission and then presented to the World Council. The goal is for next generation WRCs to be hybrid. This concerns the brands present, but also others ... They are at least five, "said Yves Matton in AUTOhebdo.
The former director of Citroën Racing also spoke of other perspectives on the future of the world rally.
"The current regulation of the R5 has made its success ... However, we can not say that more or less long term, it will not be done also in R5 ...", added
https://www.autohebdo.fr/wrc/actuali...de-203579.html
VW?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Citroen don't have money to build another car. Except if Ogier will leave the team.
Citroen doesn’t depend on Ogier to build a new car; they depend on PSA board will to continue in the WRC and so far the signals are positive. Besides, Matton already said that the new cars will use a mild hybrid system, in association to existing WRC tech, to avoid expensive developments. The FIA knows that's the only way to keep current manus and get new ones into the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse