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1st October 2018, 17:07
Fast Eddie WRC

Main issue for the COTA was the joker lap right after the start so the first corner became nothing.
2nd October 2018, 02:15
Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Little bit OOT, but does NRX full coverage exists..?

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2nd October 2018, 07:31
MrJan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Little bit OOT, but does NRX full coverage exists..?

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Not sure, it’s on Motor Trend but not sure if it’s behind a paywall.

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2nd October 2018, 11:19
tomhlord

Yas Marina in for 2019.
2nd October 2018, 11:21
SubaruNorway

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Originally Posted by MrJan

Not sure, it’s on Motor Trend but not sure if it’s behind a paywall.

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2nd October 2018, 11:40
jbmarcus21

Abu Dhabi enters to WRX 2019 as opening round ► http://bit.ly/2xTJlpF
2nd October 2018, 12:43
MrJan

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

14 day trail, just remember to unsubscribe

I’m already subscribed anyway, I like their content.

Can’t say I’m impressed that Abu Dhabi replaces Mettet. Not sure what the track layout is like but I’m not getting my hopes up for anything other than some Mickey Mouse bullshit again.

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2nd October 2018, 15:39
Arnold Triyudho Wardono

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

14 day trail, just remember to unsubscribe

And I don't have a credit card..

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2nd October 2018, 15:42
Arnold Triyudho Wardono

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Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

Abu Dhabi enters to WRX 2019 as opening round http://bit.ly/2xTJlpF

I hate to say this, but looks like WRX is evolving to World Rallycross in existing circuits instead of proper RX circuits Championship..

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3rd October 2018, 01:53
Myrvold

Yup. The way things are heading, I just wish someone would take a stab at getting the European Championship back to a full length championship, running on much of the actual RX-tracks. Fin, run them as support to WRX in the events that's "needed", but do like ARX, run standalone events as well.
Though, I fear that will end up like the Swedish-> Norwegian-Swedish -> Nordic RX championship late 90's, early 00's. It got extremely popular, to the point that some drivers dropped out of the then main championship (ERX) to just drive the Nordic one. And it got shut down.
3rd October 2018, 03:52
mArvAlcao17

It might be an unpopular opinion, but here's my thoughts:

As World Championship, World RX needs to expand to other continent, to promote and popularize RX all over the world. The problem is if the new host are build the new purpose-built RX track, the future use would be questionable, so converting already existing race circuit into RX track is the most viable choice. It might hurt some of the fans in Europe, but that's what it is.

I'm happy about Abu Dhabi because they would finally come to Asia, but still need to explore other areas like Japan (Suzuka RX track, anyone?)
3rd October 2018, 06:29
Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Quote:

Originally Posted by mArvAlcao17

It might be an unpopular opinion, but here's my thoughts:

As World Championship, World RX needs to expand to other continent, to promote and popularize RX all over the world. The problem is if the new host are build the new purpose-built RX track, the future use would be questionable, so converting already existing race circuit into RX track is the most viable choice. It might hurt some of the fans in Europe, but that's what it is.

I'm happy about Abu Dhabi because they would finally come to Asia, but still need to explore other areas like Japan (Suzuka RX track, anyone?)

I prefer Ebisu..

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3rd October 2018, 07:37
Alpha

Quote:

Originally Posted by mArvAlcao17

It might be an unpopular opinion, but here's my thoughts:

As World Championship, World RX needs to expand to other continent, to promote and popularize RX all over the world. The problem is if the new host are build the new purpose-built RX track, the future use would be questionable, so converting already existing race circuit into RX track is the most viable choice. It might hurt some of the fans in Europe, but that's what it is.

I'm happy about Abu Dhabi because they would finally come to Asia, but still need to explore other areas like Japan (Suzuka RX track, anyone?)

Spot on! I wholeheartedly agree
3rd October 2018, 10:24
MrJan

The problem for me isn’t that they go to these tracks, it’s that the RX tracks they design and build are sterile and usually quite dull. Two of the tracks at F1 circuits have been passable for me, Catalunya and Hockenheim.

It’s stupid to go to these places if it’s at the expense of excitement and entries. South Africa will probably be another 15 car field, most of them with nothing to play for in the championship, so it’s just a big cost for the teams

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3rd October 2018, 19:57
Myrvold

Quote:

Originally Posted by mArvAlcao17

It might be an unpopular opinion, but here's my thoughts:

As World Championship, World RX needs to expand to other continent, to promote and popularize RX all over the world. The problem is if the new host are build the new purpose-built RX track, the future use would be questionable, so converting already existing race circuit into RX track is the most viable choice. It might hurt some of the fans in Europe, but that's what it is.

I'm happy about Abu Dhabi because they would finally come to Asia, but still need to explore other areas like Japan (Suzuka RX track, anyone?)

While I totally understand that, it doesn't show RX anywhere as good as it can be. The fields are tiny, the cost is high, and it isn't exciting to watch.
Then you get people searching up WRX, and get clips from the actual RX-tracks, and see how it can be. While that is good, it won't bring new people in to the sport.

Also, I am quite sure that it would be possible to built a proper RX-track in the US without any long-term issues (it's not like Austin is a success, very little spectators on the vast majority there, they lose money on F1, and the thing that bring in the money is concerts...). The Canadian track actually makes sense, even though WRX is sort of a support-series there.
Hockenheim when you have Estering doesn't make sense. Barcelona instead of any RX-Track in Europe with proper following doesn't make sense. Mettet was a left-field one, and while Duivelsberg is a better circuit it wasn't weird though I'd imagine Duivlesberg would've had a larger crowd. Silverstone instead of Lydden Hill, again doesn't make sense.

I can understand that you don't build an RX track in South Africa, I can understand it in Abu Dhabi, though, they have the money for it.
If they had actually kept the proper RX-tracks in the areas that have them, it would've made more sense. But they are solely going for money and showoff-facilities, while driving costs up, and racing down.
Then, in typical FIA sense, they try to cut cost by limit equipment and testing, which only hurts the racing more, while they keep moving away from where the spectators actually are, lowering the sponsorship interested for lower teams, further thinning the field, and then you have the circle going.

Also, tracks made in the natural environment tends to be a bigger success, both for spectators, tv-viewers and drivers. You don't need man-made jumps to make things "cool", make things natural, and it'll work out. It's a bit like modern F1-tracks, while some are built in to the natural ascent and descent, they lack uniqueness. The "Tilkedromes" are seemingly the same, with endless runoffs etc. Modern RX-tracks are also quite similar, very wide starts, going in to a "bottle-neck corner" to force some contact and "wow"-action, this is either a chicane, or followed by a left-right/right-left. The track is also mostly made up with the help of guardrails, concrete and tyres. A far cry from proper RX-tracks.
4th October 2018, 11:37
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd

Sadly can see WRX (how I hate not saying World Rallycross) going the way of the WTCC with a depleted field and one manufacturer dominating to a point where no-one is interested. Not expecting to see a break away series or something like TCR however wouldn't be at all surprised if we return to a well promoted European championship with strong "privateer/works supported" teams as in days gone by or one national series becoming the draw.

the sport is trash... it will eventually die once again. No overtakes, very vague rules when it comes to penalising contact, a retarded points system and uninteresting tracks...

ITS TRASH !!!!
4th October 2018, 14:25
MrJan

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

the sport is trash... it will eventually die once again. No overtakes, very vague rules when it comes to penalising contact, a retarded points system and uninteresting tracks...

ITS TRASH !!!!

:snore: :snore: :snore:
4th October 2018, 16:17
mArvAlcao17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myrvold

While I totally understand that, it doesn't show RX anywhere as good as it can be. The fields are tiny, the cost is high, and it isn't exciting to watch.
Then you get people searching up WRX, and get clips from the actual RX-tracks, and see how it can be. While that is good, it won't bring new people in to the sport.

Also, I am quite sure that it would be possible to built a proper RX-track in the US without any long-term issues (it's not like Austin is a success, very little spectators on the vast majority there, they lose money on F1, and the thing that bring in the money is concerts...). The Canadian track actually makes sense, even though WRX is sort of a support-series there.
Hockenheim when you have Estering doesn't make sense. Barcelona instead of any RX-Track in Europe with proper following doesn't make sense. Mettet was a left-field one, and while Duivelsberg is a better circuit it wasn't weird though I'd imagine Duivlesberg would've had a larger crowd. Silverstone instead of Lydden Hill, again doesn't make sense.

I can understand that you don't build an RX track in South Africa, I can understand it in Abu Dhabi, though, they have the money for it.
If they had actually kept the proper RX-tracks in the areas that have them, it would've made more sense. But they are solely going for money and showoff-facilities, while driving costs up, and racing down.
Then, in typical FIA sense, they try to cut cost by limit equipment and testing, which only hurts the racing more, while they keep moving away from where the spectators actually are, lowering the sponsorship interested for lower teams, further thinning the field, and then you have the circle going.

Also, tracks made in the natural environment tends to be a bigger success, both for spectators, tv-viewers and drivers. You don't need man-made jumps to make things "cool", make things natural, and it'll work out. It's a bit like modern F1-tracks, while some are built in to the natural ascent and descent, they lack uniqueness. The "Tilkedromes" are seemingly the same, with endless runoffs etc. Modern RX-tracks are also quite similar, very wide starts, going in to a "bottle-neck corner" to force some contact and "wow"-action, this is either a chicane, or followed by a left-right/right-left. The track is also mostly made up with the help of guardrails, concrete and tyres. A far cry from proper RX-tracks.

I felt that the sport itself are never been really developed outside Europe and US, i'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Myrvold

While I totally understand that, it doesn't show RX anywhere as good as it can be. The fields are tiny, the cost is high, and it isn't exciting to watch.

quite sad, but that's the 'cost' of the world championship.

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Originally Posted by Myrvold

I can understand that you don't build an RX track in South Africa, I can understand it in Abu Dhabi, though, they have the money for it.
If they had actually kept the proper RX-tracks in the areas that have them, it would've made more sense. But they are solely going for money and showoff-facilities, while driving costs up, and racing down.

It's not (just) about the money to develop, it's also about the use after the World RX event, or it would be abandoned and waste of money.

However I agreed that Rallycross isn't what it supposed to be - although no one could prevent electric cars to invade rallycross, as it's the perfect testbed for the EV's.
5th October 2018, 00:46
giu canbera

Make euro rx great again
7th October 2018, 23:04
Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Oliver wins in Tierp & clinched the RXNordic title..

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9th October 2018, 20:06
giu canbera

Max Pucher is releasing some infos about his new RX championship. The Global RallyCross Europe, with spec 500HP 4WD cars that cost something around 30% of a SuperCar budget. Rumor they could race in Lydden, Mettet, Slovakia, Italy, Estering and other traditional places. Maybe 11 races. We will now more in Oct 18th.

AND NordicRX will have 7 races in 2019. Latvia will be on the schedule.. and a second race in Norway, somewhere TBA.
10th October 2018, 10:45
tbtstt

Quote:

Originally Posted by giu canbera

Max Pucher is releasing some infos about his new RX championship. The Global RallyCross Europe, with spec 500HP 4WD cars that cost something around 30% of a SuperCar budget. Rumor they could race in Lydden, Mettet, Slovakia, Italy, Estering and other traditional places. Maybe 11 races. We will now more in Oct 18th.

AND NordicRX will have 7 races in 2019. Latvia will be on the schedule.. and a second race in Norway, somewhere TBA.

Really not sure about this. I think Max has the sense (and finances) to establish a decent series, but are there enough people out there who are going to be interested in it?

We have already seen RCE rise and fall, is this going to go the same way?
10th October 2018, 11:15
tbtstt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd

Isnt the Pucher formula the same as the now defunct GRC one? Identical cars like NASCAR on gravel?

I don't know for certain, but that's the impression I have got.

EDIT: Just seen the GRE has it's own website:

https://globalrallycross.net/home/
10th October 2018, 12:22
MrJan

I’m not holding my breath! Allowing normal RX cars is a better move, obviously when GRC originally announced the one male idea it wasn’t a surprise that Andretti and Vermont pulled out, the GRE idea would allow them to run...although not sure how BoP would work in such short and varied races.

This series needs to decide if it wants to take on ERX or work alongside it with many of the same entries. The main advantage it needs to work on is wing able to keep budget sensible.

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11th October 2018, 08:28
tbtstt

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrJan

I’m not holding my breath! Allowing normal RX cars is a better move, obviously when GRC originally announced the one male idea it wasn’t a surprise that Andretti and Vermont pulled out, the GRE idea would allow them to run...

Andretti and Vermont were already gone when the one make series was announced: that was a reaction to their departure, not the cause of it!

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Originally Posted by MrJan

This series needs to decide if it wants to take on ERX or work alongside it with many of the same entries. The main advantage it needs to work on is wing able to keep budget sensible.

I couldn't be mistaken but, based on the comments I have already seen from Max (Pucher), I don't think he has any interest in working with IMG.

As you say, I'm not sure how BoP will work with Supercars.
11th October 2018, 16:50
OHL

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbtstt

I don't know for certain, but that's the impression I have got.

EDIT: Just seen the GRE has it's own website:

https://globalrallycross.net/home/

Wonder if World RX appreciates the fact that one of their cars is on the website?
11th October 2018, 17:16
JUF

The website is pretty amateurish... :mark:
12th October 2018, 03:01
Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Guys, what do you think about Tierp RX Arena..? Does it as boring as WRX tracks..?

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12th October 2018, 08:44
tbtstt

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHL

Wonder if World RX appreciates the fact that one of their cars is on the website?

That's one of the MJP Racing cars: Max Pucher owns that team and GRE is his series!

(I'm also pretty sure that photo wasn't taken at a World track)

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Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Guys, what do you think about Tierp RX Arena..? Does it as boring as WRX tracks..?

I saw that the RallyX Nordic TV coverage was online yesterday:

https://vimeo.com/294343012

I plan to watch it at the weekend to see what I think about the circuit.
12th October 2018, 11:22
tbtstt

Forgive the double post, but I see this morning that Petter Solberg has confirmed he will return to the World Rallycross Championship in 2019.

EDIT: Spa now confirmed as the replacement for Mettet:

http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/ar...-to-join-world
12th October 2018, 12:52
MrJan

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbtstt

That's one of the MJP Racing cars: Max Pucher owns that team and GRE is his series!

(I'm also pretty sure that photo wasn't taken at a World track)

One of the photos the car has the WRX logo on it.

Presumably Spa will be including Eau Rouge but not Radillon? i.e they turn left, back into the car park area behind the stands.
13th October 2018, 14:18
Fast Eddie WRC

Solberg fastest in Q1 in Germany.

Good time by Kevin Hansen (3rd) and very aggressive by his brother Timmy behind Ekstrom. Great to watch.
13th October 2018, 19:21
fegh

https://twitter.com/volkswagenms/sta...119626753?s=19

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14th October 2018, 10:43
Fast Eddie WRC

Normal service resumed an JK leads after Qually.

Peugeots going better here though, especially Hansen.
14th October 2018, 14:10
Fast Eddie WRC

SF's were a bit mad with lots of contact... but that's rallycross and no-one really at fault.
14th October 2018, 16:32
Alpha

Wonder what Kristofferson was so pissed at Bakkerud for?

https://twitter.com/EKSRX/status/105...868520960?s=09

And what on earth happened to Kevin? 😮
If Petter broke the engine he'll go to south Africa 15 points down and can forget silver in the championship..
15th October 2018, 11:26
tbtstt

The unstoppable Kristoffersson machine rolls on!

Surprisingly aggressive driving from the Peugeot Total drivers; I thought Loeb was being quite pushy in the qualifying heats, but Timmy Hansen took it a step further in the semi finals. I am not a big fan of Marklund, but I am glad to see that Timmy was punished for what he did, a lot of excessive contact on the exit of turn one.

Conversely another great performance from Kevin Hansen, real shame his weekend ended in the barrier. Also a shame that Petter had issues as, although I'm not sure he would have challenged Johan, he looked on course for a podium spot.

Unfortunate weekend for Liam Doran. He really looked on the pace in Q4, but his Q1 disqualification gave him no chance.

The "live" segment of the TV coverage (which obviously wasn't actually live) was all screwed up yesterday, I hope they fix the audio sync issue for the repeat later in the week.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpha

If Petter broke the engine he'll go to south Africa 15 points down and can forget silver in the championship..

Only if PSRXVW have exceeded their allocation of engines: I suspect they still have at least one left as I can't recall either of the Polos having many failures this year.
15th October 2018, 14:16
Fast Eddie WRC

Yep, annoyed the UK tv coverage wasnt actually live... esp as I'd already seen the heats live on YT.

I wasnt going to sit though them all again so got around the YT geo-block by 'browsing from Ireland'.. ;)
15th October 2018, 17:30
Alpha

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbtstt

The unstoppable Kristoffersson machine rolls on!

Surprisingly aggressive driving from the Peugeot Total drivers; I thought Loeb was being quite pushy in the qualifying heats, but Timmy Hansen took it a step further in the semi finals. I am not a big fan of Marklund, but I am glad to see that Timmy was punished for what he did, a lot of excessive contact on the exit of turn one.

Conversely another great performance from Kevin Hansen, real shame his weekend ended in the barrier. Also a shame that Petter had issues as, although I'm not sure he would have challenged Johan, he looked on course for a podium spot.

Unfortunate weekend for Liam Doran. He really looked on the pace in Q4, but his Q1 disqualification gave him no chance.

The "live" segment of the TV coverage (which obviously wasn't actually live) was all screwed up yesterday, I hope they fix the audio sync issue for the repeat later in the week.

Only if PSRXVW have exceeded their allocation of engines: I suspect they still have at least one left as I can't recall either of the Polos having many failures this year.

Each driver can only use two engines during a season. Petter blew an engine at Höljes earlier this year. If this is another failed engine he will be opening a third engine for this season which means 15 points are removed and he has no chance to get silver in the championship. Hell, he'll be battling with Timmy for 6th.
15th October 2018, 21:44
MrJan

Entertaining stuff, lots of bumper car action but that's what we expect from Buxtehude isn't it? Funny how Timmy is complaining about other drivers being aggressive, then takes two penalties in two meetings. Didn't seem to be as easy for JK, most of the other races this year have seemed like done deals but pace seems to be much closer.

On another note, interesting to hear Coley say that they'll go up Eau Rouge and back down again...hope it doesn't mean some crappy hairpin at the top a la COTA/Istanbul/Hockenheim/Catalunya etc.

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