Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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Originally Posted by Racehound

exactly!!!!!......and wasnt it BEFORE the Australian gp that McLaren were requesting clarification on Ferarris "flexible floor".??????........max has already put 6 and 9 together and come up with 69!!!!!!! :dozey: ........i thought it was 15 but what do i know???!!!!............only Ferarri had this innovation on their 07 car, so how could McLaren be seeking clarification on a technical issue concerning a Ferarri before the first race of the season, when this design feature would have most likely imo still have been top secret!!!!!! i dont doubt for 1 second that wRONg is totally innocent , but it is coughlans actions that have undermined his team and put them in this ludicrous position... :eek:

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.......... :dozey: sorry guys :eek: ....just thought i would repost 1 of my posts from YESTERDAY! after just reading the latest Autosport news linked by ioan in message 524 :cool:

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Would it be too presumptious to ask you to press "enter" once instead of "." 4 times ? :p :
It might save a little effort on both sides :)

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....sorry donkey..i dont have a clue what you mean about pressing enter 4 times!!!!...did i do something wRONg??????? :cool:

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Originally Posted by wmcot

According to PitPass he is one of 26 members who will sit in judgment of the case.

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http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=32143

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and he was 1 of the panel who sat in judgement at Monaco 06 as ioan is well aware :eek: .....not in your good books is he after his verdict in the quali :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Racehound

and he was 1 of the panel who sat in judgement at Monaco 06 as ioan is well aware :eek: .....not in your good books is he after his verdict in the quali :dozey:

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That guy needs to be removed from his position in the FIA. As a guy that's suppoed to be an impartial judge of events, he goes into this meeting claiming that he thinks Mclaren will only get a minor reprimand and that "proving they copied parts from the ferrari will be hard". Uhh, can you get more stupid? There are dozens of ways to use the ferrari information without "copying their design" and only an idiot would copy their design as it becomes instantly easy to prove that the part was copied! Biased morons have no place on the panel. I'd like to know how he "proved" that schumacher purposely parked it up in monaco. What a complete and total moron.

Agreed!! let's go shoot out his kneecaps.

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Originally Posted by Racehound

and he was 1 of the panel who sat in judgement at Monaco 06 as ioan is well aware :eek: .....not in your good books is he after his verdict in the quali :dozey:

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Hey, I'm not ioan!!! I don't care about Monaco 2006! I don't care what the guy's personal opinion is, I don't even care what the outcome of the hearings and trials are, I'm just saying that it is improper to state your opinion on ANY case you will be deciding. It doesn't matter whether it's in a court of law or a hearing of the FIA or your local city council! If you state your opinion BEFORE hearing the case, that's called prejudice. Those hearing the evidence in any case should be open-minded and not lean to one side or the other until AFTER they hear the FACTS (and ALL OF THEM!)

I wouldn't want to sit on trial in a court of law and have one of the jurors give an opinion about my case before the case was even heard!

We all expect the tabloid press to make judgments one way or the other and even those involved to make statements regarding their innocence or the guilt of the other party, but we don't need those who are doing the judging to express an opinion on the case before the proper proceedings begin.

I'm not commenting on Ferrari, McLaren, Stepney, Coughlan, etc. I'm commenting on improper judicial procedure!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Ah and there is this part too:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60908

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A couple of things about this...if true then Coughlan was given info about the floor on the Ferrari. It wasn't stolen, or discovered by illegal means. It was given to him. The only thing anyone is possibly guilty of is a Ferrari employee who passed on 'trade secrets'.

Secondly, if there was a question about the legallity of the floor then what is wrong with anyone raising the issue with the FIA? Should we condone a potential breaking of the rules simply because of where the information comes from, or is an illegal floor an illegal floor regardless?

Forgive me Ferrari fans but it is the same every year when Ferrari are on the back foot, there is always some accusation, or complaint about another team, or some dodgy rulling that Ferrari never gets done for but everyone else does. Is the FIA that scared of upsetting Ferrari???

Anything to get points knocked off the other teams......I just had to get that off my chest. Thanks I won't post on here again.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

A couple of things about this...if true then Coughlan was given info about the floor on the Ferrari. It wasn't stolen, or discovered by illegal means. It was given to him. The only thing anyone is possibly guilty of is a Ferrari employee who passed on 'trade secrets'.

Secondly, if there was a question about the legallity of the floor then what is wrong with anyone raising the issue with the FIA? Should we condone a potential breaking of the rules simply because of where the information comes from, or is an illegal floor an illegal floor regardless?

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Is it illegal for a Ferrari employee to divulge to anyone that a Ferrari component is illegal?

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Originally Posted by Hendersen

That guy needs to be removed from his position in the FIA. As a guy that's suppoed to be an impartial judge of events, .......

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sorry fella but if he was an impartial judge, he would not be qualified to be in the FIA :D