Also R3 car has smaller brakes and it's suspension is stock-based compared to special wide one in S1600.
But it's true that Clio S1600 is rather old car (it's homologation ends next year - hopefully they make it lasting longer).
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Also R3 car has smaller brakes and it's suspension is stock-based compared to special wide one in S1600.
But it's true that Clio S1600 is rather old car (it's homologation ends next year - hopefully they make it lasting longer).
That’s true. By comparing these two homologation sheets one can see that there’s considerable difference in the wishbones and subframes.
Citroën C2 Max:
http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe...2_VR2Bcopy.pdf (pages 27-30)
Citroën S1600:
http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe..._01_KScopy.pdf (pages 15-16)
Note the exotic rear axle of S1600.
I also believe that one difference between R2 and R3 are the wishbones. At least Honda has a similar front wishbone as S1600 as an option.
http://www.jasmotorsport.com/Pdf/256.pdf (page 7).
Clio too. If I'm not mistaken stock Clio R.S. has the "Performance Hub" front axle but R3 has normal McPherson. Renault Perofmance Hub is very similar to Ford RS Revo Knuckle with independent steering on McPherson-like strut.Quote:
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Kubica drove occasional rallies in Poland much years ago :)
in my opinion biggest advantage of Clio S1600 over Clio R3 is the brakes. Then weight, wider suspension, lower ride height... But of course Kubica is great driver.
Remember when he was driving Clio R3 last year he wasn't that fast, there were also some braking issues. I think S1600 suits him perfectly as it's proper tarmac car, as close to racing car as a rally car could be. Plus watch his style, he's using tires in 100%, he checks tires temp, pressure before and after every stage, and analyzes this data, he's doing it since he was 8 years old, so he's got some experience :)
also with the accident of Campana Abbring should be the guy who wins Clio R3 European Trophy tomorow
i think the biggest advantage is Kubica :) he is very fast, if he start in the same class like Kimi he beat him without problems!
Go RK ! :)
Why Bouffier don't have got 307 WRC? In Polish they writed he will start 307 WRC.
I entirely agree and respect your opinions about technical specifications over S1600&R3&R3T classes, and I also know that RK is a damn fast and an all round driver, but my dear friends, do not forget with whom we are comparing him: Mr.Ogier!! He is the unwritten successor of irrecplaceable Sebastian Loeb!! One of the three, maybe four fastest drivers in the world rallying-we are not talking here about one local, fast driver, who has a good day and some luck.
It is the same comparison as Kimi would beat Loeb&Co after few rallies for a minute or two...can you imagine that???
Kubica did already humiliate the drivers with 2WD in Italy, but still we can not compare Albertini&Gamba&Cempedelli&Ferrari&Campana with Ogier, therefore I did not expect on the French soil to be even close to Ogier, let alone to be in front of him.....
Enough theory-pure fact is that Kubica is breaking rules and yust a small wish-what would happen if he someday gets a proper WRC for a race or two...??
So tomorrow Ogier try to be faster than Kubica at least on one stage....
what a time from kubica in the first stage today !!! amazing
Ucci, I think that's an unfair judgement of both Ogier and Kubica performances.
First off all we have the cars. The Clio S1600 has years of development and data to use, plus it's much more of an tarmac oriented rally car.
The DS3 is, in my opinion, too high from the ground to make it fast, in the recent videos you can clearly see on corners the car bounces quite a bit, and
if im not mistaken is Ogier first time in the car.