The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Corny

I was in Spa last weekend. And as a Ferrari fan, I didn't mind he took over the first place :D

I made a movie from it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co9oghHdI-k Sure Raikkonen is still populair

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Yea' babe :beer:
That Kimi is a "cold-blooded piece of work" :burnout:
Fisi got smoked on that pass! I almost forgot how badly Kimi punked him :laugh:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Hey Tamb, I've been abit of a sad case I'm afraid... Went home from work and put the quali on the sky+ box, and BANG 16 mins 20 secs in, it shows the Badoer incident... the driver behind was Timo Glock and the wheel fairing hit the air intake above his head.. It will probably be on Youtube over the next week once FOM have stopped blocking the latest videos.. ;)

I'll keep an eye out for links...

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Grazie.

Did Ferrari know it was lose, or was it like Barrichello's spring? If they knew it was loose, then they should have parked it,but if ot just broke in an instant there would be nothing they could do.

Unlike Nakajima's shredding tyre.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I don't get why people are now calling for the teams to be banned or fined now when this happens, or even parking the car just in case.

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I do, it's called 'jumping on the bandwagon'

I'm going to feel a bit empty inside knowing that Ferrari are not going to be competitive at Brazil. Over the past decade they've shown unparalleled prowess at Brazil and now they'll be fighting for scraps.

I hope next year is better. As long as Alonso doesn't throw a fit, it should be fine.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I'm going to feel a bit empty inside knowing that Ferrari are not going to be competitive at Brazil. Over the past decade they've shown unparalleled prowess at Brazil and now they'll be fighting for scraps.

I hope next year is better. As long as Alonso doesn't throw a fit, it should be fine.

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They didn't improve their cars for almost a couple of month, it was obvious that this would happen.

i don't get the "no development thing"

unless i'm mistaken the aero rules are pretty much the same for next year, the main change being a bigger fuel tank (and probably no Kers), so you'd expect if they are working hard on next years car, and really have written off this years, they'd still bring some of the new aero parts they are working on for next year to get some valuable track testing - even if they don't completely gel with the design philosophy of this years car the ought to be able to get some decent baselines ahead of winter testing of the new car?

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Originally Posted by Robinho

i don't get the "no development thing"

unless i'm mistaken the aero rules are pretty much the same for next year, the main change being a bigger fuel tank (and probably no Kers), so you'd expect if they are working hard on next years car, and really have written off this years, they'd still bring some of the new aero parts they are working on for next year to get some valuable track testing - even if they don't completely gel with the design philosophy of this years car the ought to be able to get some decent baselines ahead of winter testing of the new car?

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Obviously this year's car started on the wrong basis so next year's car will be a completely new concept.
Bolting on parts designed for a different car won't make the F60 any faster, au contraire it will most probably make it slower.
In order to be effective a F1 car's aerodynamics have to be 100% synchronized from the front wing to the rear wing, this means that a new front wing will prompt the use of a different nose cone, different sidepods, different engine cover and rear wing and maybe even a different difuser.

Ferrari simply decided that it's no use to lose valuable CFD and wind tunnel testing time on this year's car but rather use 100% of the already limited use of the aforementioned R&D tools to come up with the best car next season.
This is my view on their approach.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Obviously this year's car started on the wrong basis so next year's car will be a completely new concept.
Bolting on parts designed for a different car won't make the F60 any faster, au contraire it will most probably make it slower.
In order to be effective a F1 car's aerodynamics have to be 100% synchronized from the front wing to the rear wing, this means that a new front wing will prompt the use of a different nose cone, different sidepods, different engine cover and rear wing and maybe even a different difuser.

Ferrari simply decided that it's no use to lose valuable CFD and wind tunnel testing time on this year's car but rather use 100% of the already limited use of the aforementioned R&D tools to come up with the best car next season.
This is my view on their approach.

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which i think is a pretty reasonable view too, but this years car can't be that bad - its made the podium a few times and won a race. it seems to be a right old handful, but can be pretty quick. i'd have thought there must be some good things in this years car that will get carried over.

i take your point on parts not being correct for this car if designed with next year in mind, it can only indicate that they are starting next year from a completely blank sheet of paper - this is pretty risky IMO, given the amount of similarity for next years rules, other already quick cars which take the good bits and evolve next year could be even further ahead of a new car starting development from scratch, and that is assuming they get it right this time, which based on what we've seen this year is certainly not a given

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Originally Posted by Robinho

which i think is a pretty reasonable view too, but this years car can't be that bad - its made the podium a few times and won a race. it seems to be a right old handful, but can be pretty quick. i'd have thought there must be some good things in this years car that will get carried over.

i take your point on parts not being correct for this car if designed with next year in mind, it can only indicate that they are starting next year from a completely blank sheet of paper - this is pretty risky IMO, given the amount of similarity for next years rules, other already quick cars which take the good bits and evolve next year could be even further ahead of a new car starting development from scratch, and that is assuming they get it right this time, which based on what we've seen this year is certainly not a given

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For a start next year's cars will have a different weight distribution, given the minimum weight and fuel weight rule changes, and most probably a longer wheel base, which makes it a very different concept from what we have now.

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Originally Posted by ioan

For a start next year's cars will have a different weight distribution, given the minimum weight and fuel weight rule changes, and most probably a longer wheel base, which makes it a very different concept from what we have now.

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true, and some of the experience gained from carrying Kers might be useful to the team when accounting for extra fuel weight