Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Why not? Same principles, but different results.

You think they shouldn't be treated in same way because one is red and one is silver? Whats your reasoning?

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Damn! You got me! Yes it's because one is silver and one is red :laugh:

Or perhaps they are totally different incidents and one happened on the track and another in the pits.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Damn! You got me! Yes it's because one is silver and one is red :laugh:

Or perhaps they are totally different incidents and one happened on the track and another in the pits.

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Well they're not though are they, as I've said, the Stewards only enforce the rules of unsafe pit release and letting a car past with full distance when they feel like it (sometimes they don't and sometimes they do).

Both have a punishment of a drive through / 25s time penalty when punishment is enforced.

Hamilton recieved this. Massa didn't. They said Massa didn't because he didn't get a sporting advantage. But neither did Hamilton in his incident. How can you say they're totally different?

Different incidents, but the past shows they treated in the same way.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I can certainly recall such incidents. However, am I right in thinking that at least one driver (possibly Panis?) was penalised for cutting a chicane at Hockenheim?

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I don't know if you meant this, but back in 1999 Coulthard got penalized by passing Panis with shortcutting the chicane at Hockenheim - he didn't gave that position back though.

Generally I'm quite tired of this discussion here already. :D
But I've to mention one more thing. FIA should change this 25-second penalty rule. It was introduced back in 1998, when 10-sec stop & go was used as a standard penalty. Drive through penalty was introduced in 2002, which has often been used during races. However, 25s is equivalent to stop & go, not drive through. Why should a post-race penalty be harsher than a drive through?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I didn't see it but by the sounds of it yes.

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You think it was wrong despite it being fully within the rules?

What can I say, its hard to take you seriously if you openly admit to thinking somone should be penalised for being within the rules.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Well they're not though are they, as I've said, the Stewards only enforce the rules of unsafe pit release and letting a car past with full distance when they feel like it (sometimes they don't and sometimes they do).

Both have a punishment of a drive through / 25s time penalty when punishment is enforced.

Hamilton recieved this. Massa didn't. They said Massa didn't because he didn't get a sporting advantage. But neither did Hamilton in his incident. How can you say they're totally different?

Different incidents, but the past shows they treated in the same way.

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The whole thing is that I agree that Lewis DID get an advantage out of what he did......

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70440

One of the stewards claims that the penalty was for cutting the chicane.

He makes no mention of giving the place back or that this had any effect but a blanket judgement that this was what the penalty was for.

Seems strange considering others such as Kimi went off.

Think the FIA are digging a hole and if this is the best they can come up with after 2 days...

I've posted this on the appeal thread because it's moved on to a new stage now but here it is again.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70443

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

Massa offers a good opinion:

'"What Lewis did is the sort of thing that can happen," admits the Brazilian, "but I think he was maybe a bit too optimistic in thinking he could just hand back the position, albeit only partially to Kimi and then immediately try and pass him again.

"Incidents like this have often been discussed in the official driver briefings when it has been made absolutely clear that anyone cutting a chicane has to fully restore the position and also any other eventual advantage gained. If Lewis had taken the chicane correctly, he would never have been able to pass Kimi on the very short straight that follows it. That was my immediate opinion after seeing the replay. Maybe if Lewis had waited and tried to pass on the next straight, that would have been a different matter."'

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I'll take this opinion over Lauda's anytime. He also gives us a chance to know what is expected from the driver in such cases when he cuts the chicane.

Thanks a lot for posting this quote!

"When I had a look around the outside at the chicane , we almost had an accident and I needed to steer left to avoid him ." -Lewis

"I got in his tow..." -Lewis

"Fortunately , I got back in his slipstream..." -Lewis

He "had a look" .
Then he got a "tow" .

Lewis says he got an advantage .
But , I don't think Lewis knows he says he got an advantage .
He should really have a talk with him about this .
Maybe he could have a talk with Lauda , too .

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

well ya..but what about my above post than ? and all them drivers not using the track either at the first corner..and also gaining advantage from it..like Kimi fe ? Can anyone tell me why none there got a penalty ?

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Than you agree that by not going off the track Massa and Heidfeld are rightfully 1st and 2nd after the race?!