Still no confirmation of the regulations for 2011 or any further info on the S2000 cup :confused:
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Still no confirmation of the regulations for 2011 or any further info on the S2000 cup :confused:
It's pathetic, and we wonder why new Manufacturers won't sign up, or show interest. While the Ken Block/Monster news is hopeful, I'm not sure another year of Ford v Citroen is going to bring anything positive to the sport. There has been a distinct lack of build up to RallyGB, mainly because people/media just aren't bothered.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
The WRC is meant to be 2nd only to F1 in terms of prestige.....Yeah right..
WRC will survive as long as it's fuel.. So they don't care and Mr Chandler is only for decorations..
WRC 2010 sporting regulations
- Night stages :up:
- Up to 80km SS.. :) Would like to see that!
http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101...ng+regulations
starting orders will stay the same again ????
wtf
http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101...ng+regulations
I don't understand this:
"End of day podium
A podium at the end of each day is pending the resolution of a Bonus Points system. A further study is required for the Drivers’ World Ranking to be compatible with the current Championship points listing."
Does that mean there will be silly points for each day rather than at the end of the rallye where the positions entitle points?
As long as the arab world is sponsoring it.... it will be around for a long time to come :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
And why is this silly. Apart from that it was better 10 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Read this: It was decided that further debate was required on the merit of changing Shakedown to a promotional and media opportunity, and the possibility of it becoming a start order for the top crews.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieWonder
It would be interesting. I would suggest that top 10 shakedown times will start in reversed order (P1 and P2 drivers) or least on gravel, but during the remaining days they will start according to their position at the end of previous day.
1. It gives advantage to the faster crews on the first day and bit slower crews advantage during the next days. So, more or less it avoids the possibility that top 8 is in half hour at the end of the rally .-)
2. If they plan to award Bonus points, then there is no point to loose time at the end of day.
At least Super2000 cup calendar has been confirmed. I assume that rules will be simple. You have S2000 car, you can take part in 10 rounds, but 7 of them counts. There is interesting addition -"for teams" As far as I have heard they plan that there will be only one car teams.
Why is it silly? Because a rally is about getting from the start to the finish in the fastest time. If you don't finish you are nowhere. If you push too hard at the beginning and cannot complete the course you have not completed the contest and therefore should not get points.
I agree, but modern Rallying doesn't like tradition.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
SupeRally was brought in because of lack of Mnaufacturers, meaning less cars on the stages. This issue still hasn't been addressed.
In 2005 4 Factory teams left; Peugeot, Skoda, Mitsubishi & Citroen - only Citroen returned as they promised they would. FiA/ISC should immediately have started working on new car regs to encourage new Manufacturers. It's now 2009, Subaru, Suzuki have also left. Sort this issue and gimmicks aren't needed.
It's not so black and white and it have not much to do with the rules, skoda, mitsu, suzuki and subaru propably left because they did not get any results, at some point bad work can reflect in the marketing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Peugeot propably left because there was no idea to have 2 PSA makes in the championship, Citroen again did just compete under different name for 1 year.
A rally is usually a multi day event.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem
Are the F1 cars going to stop every 20 laps for a podium too?
What does this mean?
No more nominated drivers?Quote:
World Rally Championship for Manufacturers
All competing cars, including existing WRC cars, are eligible for the FIA World Rally Championship for Manufacturers. Registered Manufacturers must enter two WRC cars in all rounds and use 2009 homologated cars.
Yes, this one is very confusing. What is the point to register for Manufacturer or MT? In terms of Manu you have to take part in all and in case of MT you have to take part in 8 events but still all cars can collect points? I dont get it :-) Ok, One advantage, you can use the latest cars. But if you are not MT you can use all cars anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
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Originally Posted by Tomi
WRC technical regulation it’s too demanding and requires a level of expertise and funding almost inaccessible. Don’t have the figures, but certainly Mitsubishi, Skoda and Suzuki budgets were a fraction of those of Citroen and Ford. That’s why a simple and reasonable technical formula like S2000 it’s so appealing to manufacturers and should be adopted at WRC.
Let’s hope that rally background of future FIA president (both candidates have it!) can contribute to, once for all, achieve a clear and sensible regulation for WRC.
I don't think that the main problem for Skoda was budget those years...
Eurosport stop WRC Coverage next year ?????!!!
Incompetent people in charge and budget, for instance Skoda did have only once tyre manufacturers specialists in test session, when for the other teams it was more or less normal, in every tyre test.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Let's not go down this route again shall we. Since then, various drivers have proved the Fabia WRC was not so bad afterall and there are new people at Skoda Motorsport now who are doing a good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
They threatened that once before. This could just be a tactic to get it on the cheap, or it could be so they can concentrate on their own series instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
Unfortunately it will mean we are stuck with the comedy programme in the UK.
Lol, crap skoda wrc seems to be a soft spot for you, the post was about 2005 and before, its good there is different people now working.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Certainly!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Have they had any this year? Thought they stopped it last year. Maybe only MotoGP they stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
Eurosport is out. I'm not interested in tennis or snooker
Eurosport has WRC Coverage this year :) half an hour per day.
In all honesty, if Eurosport drop WRC.. then there is little hope for WRC. OK, Eurosport might be playing hard ball, and may suffer in the short term, but they have another product. WRC is in a tight spot, it suffers from lack of exposure, and the TV coverage continues to ebb away.
They've been considering a system that would include both. I'll try to see if I can dig up the article on it after I post this, but from what I recall they're considering a system where points would be awarded on each special stage, and there would be a podium at the end of each day as well as the position-based podium at the end of the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Update: Here's the article. The relevant parts are:
[quote=FIA World Motor Sport Council]"The current system of ‘]
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Originally Posted by "FIA World Motor Sport Council":ctrdtafs
Sounds like they haven't been able to work out sensible details for how to award the bonus points and so on, so they've deferred the decision for now. But it sounds like they want to use the daily podiums for the media (obviously) but also to replace SupeRally; competitors who crash out early wouldn't get to place on the final ranking, but they could still compete for the daily podiums, and thus would have a reason to re-enter the rally.
Ok, no attacking here but this is what I don't understand. Currently used in the Australian Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retlub Ecaps
For example and hypothetically:
20 stages in a rally
One driver wins points from 17 of them. Theoretically he has scored the most points because of the wins of stages. But in this case there has been a change of drivers coming in 2-5th positions of each stage so the points are all over the place.
The driver retired on stage 19 and is completely out of the rally. No restart.
Does that mean he doesn't win the rally because he retired - or he still wins because he has the most points?! That is unfair and a rally is to the end.
I sort of like the restart rule currently... if it's still in use... and was a surprised a few years ago in Monte after Loeb made up that 5 min penalty when you use the Restart Rally rule and came in the podium/top 5(?).
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Originally Posted by sollitt
+1
It is stupid and confusing. It would be like awarding points in F1 for fastest lap times in a race. Totally dumb.
In that situation, according to what the FIA said, the driver's retirement would mean he cannot win the rally (and cannot even score championship points). Any driver who retires on any stage would not even appear in the final classification at the end of the rally -- if they re-entered the rally after retiring, they would only be able to compete for the daily podiums.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
It sounds to me like the "bonus points" and stage rankings would only be used for the daily podiums, and the final classification for the rally would still be based on overall time, like it is now. The stage wins and such might affect the new Driver's Rankings they're also considering, but I don't know, because I haven't seen any details on how those rankings might work.
Anyway, you're right that there are a lot of issues with how exactly the scoring for the daily podiums should be done, and that kind of thing; if they do it wrong they could really screw up the sport. I think that's probably why they've decided not to make a decision on it yet.
So whats the point of being rewarded points after each stage or day? Separate points to the overall result in points? or which ever if the end points are added with the end of stage/day points. Makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retlub Ecaps
Yeah, I think it's separate to the overall result points. My guess is that the stage/day points will go towards a driver's position in the Driver's Ranking they've mentioned, and would not count for the drivers' or manufacturers' championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
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Originally Posted by Retlub Ecaps
Difference between: Driver's Position in the Drivers Ranking (points) to Drivers Championship (points)?
The Driver's Ranking is a new thing the FIA is considering -- it's mentioned in the article I linked before. They don't really give any details; I'm just guessing that they'll base it on bonus points/stage results because that's the only thing I can think of that makes the FIA's statements make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I think what they're trying to do is keep the Drivers Championship the same as it is now, but also add new, separate elements to the WRC to try to give it more appeal for the media and potential new fans. They think it might give the media more reason to cover each stage and each day's action instead of just doing a summary at the end. And they think that it might help sustain interest of people who aren't hardcore fans, since the Drivers Ranking would be a reason to keep watching even if the driver they liked had a couple of retirements and fell out of contention for the Drivers Championship.
A lot of people here seem to feel that the WRC is boring these days because there's so little competition at the top level. I think that a Drivers Ranking, if it worked like I'm guessing it would, might help that a little because crashing out would not be as severe a points loss for the Ranking as it is in the Championships. Also, if the top places are pretty much secure towards the end of a rally and all those drivers are just focused on getting to the end, it would provide some incentive for drivers further back to go flat-out and drive for stage wins to try to grab points for the Drivers Ranking. Might help keep things a little more interesting. As long as they don't change how points are scored for the Championships, I'm willing to look at the Drivers Ranking thing with an open mind.
I want to be clear, though: I'm just trying to explain what I think the FIA is trying to do -- I'm not saying I agree with all of it. And it's possible that I'm completely wrong anyway. :D
Finnish forumist...
what this article would say ??
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uut...2009/10/980411
Raikkonen, Grönholm, Solberg ??? Built a team or just one event in Sweden Rally ?
I geddit! I'm just very confused with what they potentially mean with two or three point systems for drivers, manu's and positions. Why make it more confusing?! But will have to wait and see when the new regs officially come out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Retlub Ecaps
Just rumours that Petter Solberg have negoatiated with Marcus that Marcus would join PSWRT for Sweden 2010. Marcus stays tight-lipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
Also, Petter is saying that he's been in contact with Räikkönen's manager or someone about Räikkönen's possible interested to join PSWRT for next season with C4 WRC. Räikkönen's manager Steve Robertson however says he have never heard anything from Solberg's offer before asked by MTV3 journalist.
It says that Petter Solberg confirmed that he has made an offer to Kimi's representative to have Kimi to drive C4 for his rally team next season. He also tries to get Marcus to drive the Swedish RallyQuote:
Originally Posted by jbmarcus21
In related news Kimi's manager Steve Robertson claimed he hasn't even heard about such offer.
Thanks ;)