What did he say exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
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What did he say exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
A Red Bull car, that´s what he asked for at his birthday. Ldm not so amused.
While his criticism of Ferrari is understandable and warranted, Fernando has made a critical mistake - he's publically put his own interest over that of the team. The last one, who did that was Prost and he was fired before the end of the season for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
TJ13 reported today that there might be an announcement coming at Monza that he compared to a Richter 9 earthquake, so I wonder if Alonso has locked horns with the team one time too often
I don't blame him. Ferrari has given him sh!t in the last four years. I would be frustrated as hell. He gives 120% every time. He's made that truck look like a racecar for the last four years! Next year won't be any different. Mercedes and Renault are already predicted to have the best engine packages. Ferrari will look like a joke again. If not for Fernando, Ferrari would have easily finished as the third or fourth best team in each of the last four years. I seriously hope the big announcement is Fernando leaving the team and going to RB, or Lotus, or just "anybody else's car"!
Pathetic. Gonna be a long second half of the season :-(
Someone asked him what he really wanted for his birthday. His reply was: "Someone else's car!"Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Well, arguably the 2010 Fezza wasn't as bad as you make it sound. After all he went into the last race in premium position, but they covered Webber and got stuck behind a Russian pay driver in a clapped-out Clio. It was his to lose and he lost it, so before bashing the team, he also has to answer some question. Despite only having the 3rd best car last year, he went into the last race still with a chance to beat the second best car - the best for most of the season, McLaren, had gracefully taken themselves out of contention by cheating Lewis out of a ****load of points by various pit blunders.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
But, if you look at the Austin GP. If it wasn't for the grid-skullduggery and Massa giving up his place, he would've handed Vettel the title right there and then. It was a lacklustre race at best.
Schumacher spent 4 seasons in a car that couldn't challenge for the title, but he never went around slagging off the team in public. That's why Alonso has 2 WDC and Schumacher has 7. Schumacher helped to make the team great. Alonso just wastes his time by not showing up for YTD's if given the chance, moaning about the team and generally making himself look like a complete berk by ridiculous Samurai tweets and useless psycho-games with RB/Vettel. Trust me on that, with these antics he won't go nowhere in the RB as well, while Vettel has the advantage of a close friendship with Schumacher, so he can get the team-building 101 from one of the best.
While I am a Schumacher fan, then there is no point in talking about his team building. Drivers do not build teams, nor do they build or design cars. Their job is to drive. If they get the most out of the car, then their job is done. No matter how much "team-building" they do, if the engineers and managers are fools, then nothing will change. So I would not put any blame on Alonso. He has given his most, yet the team keeps producing monkey cars. What must also bother Alonso is that there is no progress. They started off quite well in 2010 and it seemingly gets worse and worse all the time. He must have realized things will not get better for him soon, only worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Ferrari's problem now is that Luca foolishly got rid of Jean Todt a couple of years ago, who was the perfect guy for the job and the best boss in F1, who should have been valued like a diamond. Stupid Luca though couldn't stand how valued Todt was and did his best to get rid of him. Well, good job Luca, keep throwing those TVs out the window. I am sure Todt would be retired by now anyway, but keeping a guy like that for even 2-3 more years would have been a win. Stefano is weakling and a joke as a Ferrari team boss. More of a yes man, than a Ferrari leader.
What is YTD?
What is really funny in all this is how stupid Luca really is. He had the perfect team player in Kimi (as much as top level F1 drivers can be team players), but he made sure Ferrari did their best to get rid of him and not use him properly. Developments went away from him, everything. So Luca got his wish and got the perfect Ferrari driver - emotional, not silent and cold like Kimi. Of course Loony Luca never paid attention to the baggage of Alonso, who has shown he will not hold back with what he says and will always put his interests in front of the team. Now he pays the price for that. There is a reason why the calculating and straight-thinking Todt preferred Kimi over Alonso and why the emotional Luca prefers Alonso over Kimi.
With Kimi, there would never have been a need for such a statement from Luca, problems always stayed within the team, even in 2009 when the car sucked. Same with Schumacher really.
A typo. It should be YDT (Young Drivers Test). Alonso categorically declined to work for Pirelli. That's an utterly stupid attitude. Especially with the revised tyres, he should have had the biggest interest in getting running time on it. Why did all of his competitors run? I simply couldn't imagine that Schumacher would ever have pulled a diva-stunt like that. As you said. Alonso thinks he's bigger than the team. In that regard he could be vettel's bestest buddy. They both share that particular predicament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Yeah, I thought YTD should mean Year To Date and wondered why would you use that there :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Why did Alonso refuse that? That makes no sense at all. I did not pay attention to F1 news for a while, so I have not heard of that. But if he really refused to test then that is really diva behaviour and stupid. Makes his complaints about the car look quite absurd. Stefano should have set him straight, Todt would have.
F1 drivers tend to have huge egos and let's face it, in sports to be on the top you need that. But then there are egomaniacs who would put me to shame :laugh: , Alonso is one of those.
AFAIK, he was scheduled to run, but has publicly stated: "I don't work for Pirelli." I think that will most likely have contributed to the rather strained atmosphere at Maranello. The "secret" Pirelli tests were done by Massa and de la Rosa, the YDT without Alonso, too. Could you imagine Schumacher refuse so many chances to test, even at a time when it was still unlimited? Quite frankly, Alonso is a brilliant driver, but his work ethics start to look a bit questionable and if he continues that, he won't go anywhere at RB either, because those guys ain't gonna be impressed by Samurai tweets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
You are joking right? Tell me you are, because otherwise my respect for Alonso would go so much down. That is the behaviour of a 6 year old child, not to mention totally counter productive. Your team is struggling, you get to test new tyres and you refuse? Wow. Indeed, this is where Schumacher would have been at the track 2 days before the test to prepare and look at what was going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Reminds me of a story DC said about how Senna tweaked his neck at a test and that was it for him, couldn't drive anymore. DC went there the next day to test and saw Senna who was there. DC thought Senna must have healed, but in reality, he was just there to check whether DC was competent enough. Puts Alonso's work ethic to shame.
Yes, that is really weird from Alonso. That must have not gone down well with Ferrari managers either, because this makes the complaints look really hypocritical.Quote:
I think that will most likely have contributed to the rather strained atmosphere at Maranello. The "secret" Pirelli tests were done by Massa and de la Rosa, the YDT without Alonso, too. Could you imagine Schumacher refuse so many chances to test, even at a time when it was still unlimited? Quite frankly, Alonso is a brilliant driver, but his work ethics start to look a bit questionable and if he continues that, he won't go anywhere at RB either, because those guys ain't gonna be impressed by Samurai tweets.
I'm afraid I can't say I'm joking, because I am not. That particular quote was all over the news. In a time where testing is limited to a bare minimum, a whole day of running, that he was entitled to, would have been worth A LOT. Passing up such a chance is just window-licking mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Ok. That sounded just so hard to believe, I guess I have been spoiled by Schumacher. My opinion of Alonso didn't exactly sky-rocket reading that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
It sounded hard to believe 'cause it's made up :laugh:
The idea that Alonso puts his own interests above the team's has a certain understated stupidity. Is he interested in finishing 1st while the team want's him to finish 3rd? :laugh:
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
No it is not. You obviously don't follow the newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Words can so be twisted to favor one's motive. DJ, do you work for the American media?
Remember how Alonso nearly got whacked by Perez's left rear tire in Silverstone? That could have ended in disaster. Shortly after that they asked to test on the same track and the same tires? Understandably, he was a little nervous.
"It's not a very safe thing racing on the same track with the same tyres. I don't have the feeling I want to go. But if the team wants me to go..."
Funny how you can only remember that he said that he would not go and how he didn't work for Pirelli. Same about the way you twisted everything after my original comment.
I'm not sure I understand why ya''awl boys are slagging Alonso for not participating, here is a list of the drivers that did:
I don't see anyone slagging Kimi, Rogro, Button, Perez, Bottas or Gutierrez. :confused: Or Mark for that matter, although being a lame duck sort of explains his absence. :champion:Quote:
"1.Driving for Red Bull Racing will be Alex Felix de Costa, Daniel Ricciardo (from Scuderia Toro Rosso), Carlos Sainz, Jr. and reigning champion Sebastian Vettel (Mark Webber will not be participating)
2.For McLaren, Kevin Magnussen, Oliver Turvey and Gary Paffett will take turns at the wheel.
3.It appears that Fernando Alonso will not be partaking in the fun for Ferrari. Testing duties will be handed to Italian racing driver Davide Rigon with Massa participating as well to some degree.
4.Lotus will be fielding Nicolas Prost, Davide Valsecchi (Kimi Räikkönen will not be participating)
5.In the driver’s seat for Williams will be Daniel Juncadella, Pastor Maldonado and the lovely Susie Wolff. So happy to Susie included in this test.
6.Scuderia Toro Rosso will have Johnny Cecotto, Carlos Sainz Jr, Daniel Ricciardo, Jeaqn Eric Vergne and Russan youngster Daniil Kvyat.
7.Force India has announced that James Calado will be joining Paul di Resta & Adrian Sutil at Silverstone.
8.Sauber’s Nico Hulkenberg will be joined by Robin Frijns and Kimiya Sato
9.All youngster line up for Marussia as they will have Tio Ellinas and Rodolfo Gonzalez present for the test.
10.Caterham has called upon Alexander Rossi, Will Stevens and both current racers Giedo Van Der Garde and Charles Pic.
NOTE:
Mercedes AMG Petronas has been banned from the young driver’s test as a result of the ruling in the International Tribunal
That's wrong. They weren't testing the same tyres. In the Silverstone race they uses 2013 steel-belted tyres with 2013 compounds. In the YDT they used 2012 kevlar-belted tyres with 2013 compounds and that was known at least 2 weeks before the test. They reverted back to the kevlar belts BECAUSE of the Silverstone failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
Makes no difference. Nobody knew how any Pirelli tire would behave. Initially he had no interest, then recanted. I already posted his comment about going if the team wanted him. The team must not have needed him to go that badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Alonso did not say he didn't work for Pirelli.
That is false and inaccurate.
He was working in the Ferrari simulator at the same time. That the Tyre test took place. Hardly the act of a lazy man.
Alonso's work ethic is good, and has been remarked on by Ferrari before.
It is strange to see a Pro- Vettel poster talking negatively about a driver putting his interest before the team. Malaysia this year wasn't Fernando.
Why was it reported simultaneously by most of the media outlets then? You'll have to do better than coming along with a week old account with three posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Please, as a wise old forumer, tell me how I provide proof of something that wasn't said?
A quote by Fernando was supplied by a poster saying he didn't want to attend, but I found no mention on Google search of any "I don't work for Pirelli" quote relating to the YDT.
I have double-checked Google. No such quote by Alonso appears to exist.
Are you sure that it was widely reported?
I cannot post the link, but it is here
blogs.bettor.com
Look for this article = Carlos-Sainz Jr says he will miss Fernando Alonso at Young Driver Test
“I’m not testing, because I’m not allowed to test (car developments)!” he is quoted by Italy’s La Repubblica. ”Instead, I have important work to do on the simulator.”
Is the quote I find.
This. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Let me google that for you it's not that hard, is it.
Is one non-accredited quote from one blogger proof of anything?
I had hoped for a clearer, more precise,even an official media quote. Not a hearsay one. A primary source would be nice.
You know what a concise and primary source quote is, yes?
Here is one
"Multi 21 Seb, Multi 21"
Or, if you prefer,
"This is silly Seb"
Google that.
You are pathetic.
Now google "I do not work for Pirelli"
"I'm not working for Pirelli"
"ich arbeite nicht für Pirelli"
"Я не для Пирелли работаю"
That should yield enough sources even for your apologist brain, Fernando. It was reported all over the news. And btw. James Allen is not just anybody ;)
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Originally Posted by Parabolica
A personal insult. Thank you.
Evidently, you cannot debate. I think it is best to ignore your type.
Tamb' for sure. :up: :s nore: :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Wow. You've managed to silence him. Lmao. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Fast and efficient as well.
As Ioan would ejacuate:
"Cry me a river"
freakin' Pizza delivery boyz
:s ailor:
Thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
All over the media indeed :laugh: .
go away
My fear is that the second half of this season is another 1991.
So much potential and promise ruined by poor management, and the prize asset scapegoated.
http://imageshack.us/a/img442/272/7caa.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Taz
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I can't hear about the wind tunnel calibration anymore. They're used that excuse for three years now! :angryfire
Despite Ferrari falling off the pace against Mercedes, Red Bull and Lotus, Fernando will still fight tooth and nail and be up there come the end of the season. He may not be my favourite driver by some margin, but he certainly is the class of the current field of drivers. He's pure class :)
Based on this years performances, I can't see why one would consider him any better than Hamilton or Kimi, but those three are indeed the class of the field very clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2