What Happens Next?

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Originally Posted by Starter

To be fair, SCCA ran it into the ground before PG got his hands on it. He just finished the job.

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Fair enough. But the thought that the salvation/future of CC is partially in his hands is frightful. he's done nothing to make me believe he has the best interest of the series at heart. Maybe his pockets (etc. Rusport deal, Tags, etc.), but not the series. Just sad.

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Originally Posted by pvtjoker

Fair enough. But the thought that the salvation/future of CC is partially in his hands is frightful. he's done nothing to make me believe he has the best interest of the series at heart. Maybe his pockets (etc. Rusport deal, Tags, etc.), but not the series. Just sad.

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Another armchair quarterback theory Paul Gentilozzi bashing comment from the earl side? Please, give it a rest. If you can't agree there is a serious problem in the motor racing market then its pointless to discuss it.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

When a series depends on manufacturer support for its engines and cars, they run the risk of failure if those manufacturers pull out,like trans-am.

CC owns their engine manufacturer[cosworth) and their cars, they do not have that risk.

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And thus ChampCar has become nothing more than another blatantly undisguised and poorly promoted spec racing series without even a single manufacturer to foster it's existence. These guys could piss off the Pope.

pits4me,

What do you think will happen next with Champ Car, particularly in 2008, given the difficulty in attracting sponsorship in the NAFTA markets?

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Originally Posted by pits4me

Another armchair quarterback theory Paul Gentilozzi bashing comment from the earl side? Please, give it a rest. If you can't agree there is a serious problem in the motor racing market then its pointless to discuss it.

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I agree ,look at an update of the poll on autoracing1.com

"Which is the best top-level racing series?"
A1GP 1%

ALMS 6%

Champ Car 35%

F1 34%

Grand-AM 1%

IRL 9%

NASCAR 12%

V8 Supercars 3%

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Originally Posted by sanguin

I agree ,look at an update of the poll on autoracing1.com

"Which is the best top-level racing series?"
A1GP 1%

ALMS 6%

Champ Car 35%

F1 34%

Grand-AM 1%

IRL 9%

NASCAR 12%

V8 Supercars 3%

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Gee, we all know that the above poll reflects reality. The truth is that AR1 and CCF are likely the only places such results would be seen. I have seen many neutral, real world, third party surveys and they look nothing like the results above.

Here is a graph from Alexa.com that compares the relative web traffic trends from NASCAR.com, Formula1.com, ChampCarWorldSeries.com, IndyCar.com and AmericanLeMans.com:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...url=nascar.com

These are the Alexa traffic ranks for each site shown in the Autoracing1.com poll (out of all sites on the worldwide web):

Site / Rank

Formula1.com: 1694
NASCAR.com: 3234
IndyCar.com: 52,076
ChampCarWorldSeries.com: 73,903
v8supercar.com.au: 111,304
AmericanLeMans.com: 178,493
A1GP.com: 194,852
Grand-Am.com: 247,168

Since F1 and NASCAR are so far out in front, it is also interesting to look at the traffic rank history for the other series without the two front runners:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...orldSeries.com

Last but not least, it is important to put Autoracing1.com in perspective. The Alexa ranking for the leading motorsports news sites (plus AR!.com) are:

Site / Rank

Autosport.com: 9,004
SpeedTV.com: 19,304
Crash.net: 22,131
Motorsport.com: 33,928
Autoracing1.com: 305,974

Lies, dammed lies and statistics, eh Sanguin?

Sanguin....it is AR1...a site that is dedicated to hard core racing fans, many of whom follow the politics of the sport and the machinations of the sport. The general public wouldn't pay to go on AR1. Hell, I wont pay for it and I am a hard core fan. No, let ESPN or some media site to a poll. The TV ratings world wide should tell you lots about where Champ Car sits.

This whole argument is indiciative of the delusional thinking that is involved by a few individuals. If Champ Car has so much TV quotient, so much attraction, how come there are not enough sponsors? How come there is no large company helping float large purses? How come there is only 17 cars? How come the series is buying TV time to make broadcasts on ESPN Guam ( am only slightly facetious here) and how come most of the other markets outside the US, the TV package is poor to non-existent? When you solve all of those issues, then you will maybe have a point. Until then, Champ Car is where it is because of mismanagement and a lack of marketing expertese and finances behind the marketing.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

This whole argument is indiciative of the delusional thinking that is involved by a few individuals. If Champ Car has so much TV quotient, so much attraction, how come there are not enough sponsors? How come there is no large company helping float large purses? How come there is only 17 cars? How come the series is buying TV time to make broadcasts on ESPN Guam ( am only slightly facetious here) and how come most of the other markets outside the US, the TV package is poor to non-existent? When you solve all of those issues, then you will maybe have a point. Until then, Champ Car is where it is because of mismanagement and a lack of marketing expertese and finances behind the marketing.

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Name all the series that don't buy some tv time. Name all the series with great ratings. Name all the series with huge car counts that don't need more. Name a series that doesn't need more sponsorship.

BTW, CC has Eurosport.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Name all the series that don't buy some tv time. Name all the series with great ratings. Name all the series with huge car counts that don't need more. Name a series that doesn't need more sponsorship.

BTW, CC has Eurosport.

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NASCAR

Jeff

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Originally Posted by cartpix

NASCAR

Jeff

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exactly, thanks, but aren't their rating trending down for a second year in a row?Does that validate the high price ABC/ESPN paid for tv rights? aren't their teams combining to stay afloat? their drivers switching teams? Aren't they losing sponsors and had a hard time getting a title sponsor for their secondary series? Aren't they in a lawsuit with a track owner? I know they're successful so far, my point is they experience the same problems that other series do. There are things that need to be fixed in CC, can it be done? yes.