Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Been over that. They both turned in too early. Only difference with the Massa one is that Hamilton actually was over ambitious.

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Can't believe people still think that Massa and Mldonado were to blame for Hamilton's brain farts! :down:

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Erm, sorry now but this is completely far fetched wishful thinking here. You're saying that Maldonado couldn't tell the difference in hearing a car two or three metres from his head and a one 100m in front of him? You're also saying that a car a further 50M back somehow made him believe Lewis wasn't there? This is desparate. Hearing a car 100M in front of you and a one 50 M behind is fine but the McLaren was right beside him. C'mon now, in fairness, he had his mirrors, he had his ears and a McLaren engine pumping into his ears and you say to me that he didn't know Lewis was there? If he can't distinguish between a McLaren right in his ear and two cars 100M in front and 50M behind him the man should not be in F1. The cars around him have nothing to do with influencing his decision.

I agree it's possible he didn't know Lewis was there, but that's only the case if he wasn't listening and didn't look in his mirrors or hadn't positioned them correctly. If an F1 driver hasn't done that then any incident that occurs as a result of that is his fault.

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You , sir , are really abrasive in your responses .

It is not "completely far fetched" or "wishful thinking" or "desp(e)rate" .
It is fact that the shoe had no sonic distraction in that approach , and that Maldonado did .

The degree to which you think it may have influenced the situation is nil .
I disagree .


You agree that it's possible that he didn't know he was there .

To suggest he "wasn't listening" is a little too much . That would be as stupid as to suggest he went looking for this crash to occur .
Of course he was listening .
Driving these cars around there is tough work , and one needs all his senses working in overtime .

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Originally Posted by ioan

Can't believe people still think that Massa and Mldonado were to blame for Hamilton's brain farts! :down:

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can´t believe you haven´t been banned for good

i still rate Hamilton-Massa at 95%-5% and at best Hamilton-Maldonado 60%-40%, both against Hamilton. Before you jump on me take a look through my history and check my support for Hamilton in the past. The Massa incident was stupid and pointless, although Massa was on a slightly odd line and managed to hit Webber, Hamilton was never getting through, the only pass into that corner is done before turn in, not at the apex.

As for the Maldonado incident, Hamilton failed to make it stick as he did with MS, and was only ever 3/4 alongside. Whilst Maldonado probably could and maybe should have seen him and taken avoiding action, the onus is on Hamilton to execute the move without hitting the car in front. Maldonado was always still in front. Either could have done enough to avoid the crash, but at the point Hamilton was on the iverlap there is very little visibility from the cockpit and the mirrors are at best useless when your in a braking zone and trying to hit an apex on the most difficult circuit of the year.

I like Hamilton, I think he's an exceptional talent, but sometimes he thinks he can do more than is possible. Sometimes that is to his credit, but on Sunday it was careless at best and reckless at worst. I'll happily defend him, but the Monaco incidents we not good. Although either in isolation would have been just an incident, the 2 together were clearly a product of frustration and over ambition. Not his best showing. I expect a great fightback in Canada, however.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

i still rate Hamilton-Massa at 95%-5% and at best Hamilton-Maldonado 60%-40%, both against Hamilton. Before you jump on me take a look through my history and check my support for Hamilton in the past. The Massa incident was stupid and pointless, although Massa was on a slightly odd line and managed to hit Webber, Hamilton was never getting through, the only pass into that corner is done before turn in, not at the apex.

As for the Maldonado incident, Hamilton failed to make it stick as he did with MS, and was only ever 3/4 alongside. Whilst Maldonado probably could and maybe should have seen him and taken avoiding action, the onus is on Hamilton to execute the move without hitting the car in front. Maldonado was always still in front. Either could have done enough to avoid the crash, but at the point Hamilton was on the iverlap there is very little visibility from the cockpit and the mirrors are at best useless when your in a braking zone and trying to hit an apex on the most difficult circuit of the year.

I like Hamilton, I think he's an exceptional talent, but sometimes he thinks he can do more than is possible. Sometimes that is to his credit, but on Sunday it was careless at best and reckless at worst. I'll happily defend him, but the Monaco incidents we not good. Although either in isolation would have been just an incident, the 2 together were clearly a product of frustration and over ambition. Not his best showing. I expect a great fightback in Canada, however.

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Couldn't agree more. Sadly some people seem to idolise him to the point of trying to excuse his every action and find a reason why it's someone elses fault. Then we have spurious reasoning like the fact that Schumacher didn't want to be part of Hamilton's accident and let him through, therefore Maldonado is obliged to do the same.

If you speak out against Hamilton you're a hater, you can't win :dozey:

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Originally Posted by eu

can´t believe you haven´t been banned for good

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that door swings both ways

Surprised this is still being debated:-)
Has hamilton been penalised for this? or was it just a slap on the wrist from the FIA? As much as I support him and want mclaren to win, I dont think there was any excuse for his dodgem style driving.

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Originally Posted by eu

banned for good

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That's a Take That song, isn't it? ;)

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Originally Posted by Robinho

i still rate Hamilton-Massa at 95%-5% and at best Hamilton-Maldonado 60%-40%, both against Hamilton. Before you jump on me take a look through my history and check my support for Hamilton in the past. The Massa incident was stupid and pointless, although Massa was on a slightly odd line and managed to hit Webber, Hamilton was never getting through, the only pass into that corner is done before turn in, not at the apex.

As for the Maldonado incident, Hamilton failed to make it stick as he did with MS, and was only ever 3/4 alongside. Whilst Maldonado probably could and maybe should have seen him and taken avoiding action, the onus is on Hamilton to execute the move without hitting the car in front. Maldonado was always still in front. Either could have done enough to avoid the crash, but at the point Hamilton was on the iverlap there is very little visibility from the cockpit and the mirrors are at best useless when your in a braking zone and trying to hit an apex on the most difficult circuit of the year.

I like Hamilton, I think he's an exceptional talent, but sometimes he thinks he can do more than is possible. Sometimes that is to his credit, but on Sunday it was careless at best and reckless at worst. I'll happily defend him, but the Monaco incidents we not good. Although either in isolation would have been just an incident, the 2 together were clearly a product of frustration and over ambition. Not his best showing. I expect a great fightback in Canada, however.

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Good Post.

That is how I see it.

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Originally Posted by eu

can´t believe you haven´t been banned for good

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the only answer I can come up with is that internet forums would be devoid of activity if it was not for misinformed opinionated trolls (look at their post counts, always at least triple that of the intelligent reasoned members in a fraction of the time) and so they are essential for the forums continued existence.
no trolls no forum, simple as, sad but true.