Love it :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
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Love it :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Apparently for not using the right BS when giving the team orders.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Hallelujah!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
Give that man a biscuit!
Rightly or wrongly, team orders happen but if Ferrari were a bit more sensible, there would have been no fuss.
It's just that they made ... ... it ... ... so ... ... ... bloody ... ... ... obvious.
Confirm ... you ... understand ... this !!! ;)
...whilst carefully avoiding making any admission that might be usable in court.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
One of the lines of defence used by Ferrari in the aftermath of Austria '02 was they had been open about what they were doing; they hadn't tried to hide anything. Well...yes...but...only because Rubens made the switch so obvious. History repeats itself because Rob and Felipe did the same job this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
It was implied and never explicit instructions.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
Unless there is great proof there's a great difference when Massa is asked/forced to pull over and being informed that your team mate is quicker.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8864978.stm
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The words "Fernando is faster than you" are sure to pass into Formula 1 legend, but I heard them from Ferrari around 20 laps before the infamous radio communication was given.
Immediately after the pit stops, I went into the Ferrari garage. The team's spokesman Luca Colajanni was talking to my colleague from RAI, Italy's main TV network. This is quite a common occurrence: Ferrari listen to RAI commentary during the race and there is always communication between team and broadcaster.
Once finished in Italian, I asked what the team were saying to the drivers and what the situation was. At that time, Felipe Massa was just starting to pull away from Fernando Alonso.
Colajanni said the race was progressing as normal, that the cars were running well, but then added "but as you can see, Fernando is faster".
This had been the case all weekend, as Alonso explained in the highly-charged post race press conference. Ferrari were only too well aware of this fact.
I went back to the McLaren garage next door to check on their progress, but could see quite a discussion taking place on the Ferrari pit wall. Team principal Stefano Domenicali was busy talking to chief engineer Chris Dyer. At one point, I saw Dyer put his hand up, with a flat palm. It was the kind of gesture policemen use to stop traffic.
Soon after, Massa pulled out a three-second gap on Alonso. The discussions continued. Massa's race engineer Rob Smedley was on the radio to Felipe every lap. At one point we heard him telling Felipe to concentrate. "The gap is three seconds, keep this going, and you can win", assured Smedley.
But Alonso closed the gap and the rest is history. There were more discussions between Domenicali, Dyer, Smedley and Alonso's engineer Andrea Stella during the five or so laps before lap 48, but once the move was made, all discussions stopped.
I believe Alonso would buckle down in the battle if he race against different teams, or driver other than Massa. What sprang to his mind if they made contact he's worried of Massa would attack him verbally and said Alonso did it on purpose again. That's not nice..Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
Alonso already gave some attempts, but Massa didn't seem to understand it. Alonso would better back off, try to understand Massa, make some gaps and get closer to show that in fact he is faster.
I understand the message he must go quicker, Massa misunderstood it.. ;)
Facts?Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
The fact is that Ferrari have been fined $100,000 for violating Article 39.1 of the sporting regulations. Stefano isn't going to appeal that decision. What facts are present that show that Fernando made an actual pass under normal racing conditions? None that I can find.
As for biases, I've considered myself borderline Tifosi for years, but not blinded due to the fact that I want to see at least half the field in strong competitive cars. I'd really rather see Kubica somehow bring the Renault past the field and win than anyone else this year, simply because I think all of the top teams have been idiots.
I simply prefer that racing be racing. I don't and have never liked team orders, but when they were legal they were legal and I accepted that. I think in a situation two drivers on the same team are racing, they should both respect the teams investment and do the best they can to not trash the cars. But at the end of the day I want the best driver/car combo to win the race.
If we are going to allow team orders, blatant or otherwise, then maybe we should just make F1 time trials. That way the fastest car wins. Or they could allow team orders again and remove the WDC from the equation. If it's a team effort, why call it an individual title?
I'm more than aware of the difficulty in passing in F1, but also aware of why I like seeing racing, and not rigged spectacles that insult the viewers with such blatant cheating.
So do you believe that since the 2002 "ban" this has been the first time team orders were used?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
If so, then you must be watching F1 through your McLaren factory-issued spectacles.
If you don't believe this, then why weren't the fans outraged at the other uses of team orders?