Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Take your time and search before slagging others.
You seem to live in a fairy tale where you are the king who married and lived happily ever after. :p :
Time to wake up:



Link:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A96F948260

So, next time do your homework before you decide to attack me using certain adjectives. :rolleyes:

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Sorry, this has nick all to do with F1, but your quote from the university bod only confirms one thing to me, that moral fibre is lacking in todays society.

Marriage is no longer looked on as the union between two people it once was. Divorce has become far too easy and acceptable. Respect is a diminishing phenomenon.

So my wife and I, bringing our kids up, teaching them respect, manners, ethics and morals, we are the exception to the rule? If that's the case, why chuffing bother?

In fact, I should leave my wife, care nothing for my kids and refuse to pay maintenenace, encourage my ex-wife to let my kids drink alcohol to excess, carry knives, join a gang........

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Sorry, this has nick all to do with F1, but your quote from the university bod only confirms one thing to me, that moral fibre is lacking in todays society.

Marriage is no longer looked on as the union between two people it once was. Divorce has become far too easy and acceptable. Respect is a diminishing phenomenon.

So my wife and I, bringing our kids up, teaching them respect, manners, ethics and morals, we are the exception to the rule? If that's the case, why chuffing bother?

In fact, I should leave my wife, care nothing for my kids and refuse to pay maintenenace, encourage my ex-wife to let my kids drink alcohol to excess, carry knives, join a gang........

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It's not about lack of morals or ethics, it's just that the society evolves, and the moral/ethic standards change.

This doesn't mean that one can't have a happy marriage as it was before, only that there is a higher chance to hit troubles at one time or the other.

Also not all the people who cheat on their wife/husband are doing it because they want to quit them.

So, don't be upset, live your life at your best! ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

It's not about lack of morals or ethics, it's just that the society evolves, and the moral/ethic standards change.

This doesn't mean that one can't have a happy marriage as it was before, only that there is a higher chance to hit troubles at one time or the other.

Also not all the people who cheat on their wife/husband are doing it because they want to quit them.

So, don't be upset, live your life at your best! ;)

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I'm not getting upset, I just have strong feelings on this. ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Take your time and search before slagging others.
You seem to live in a fairy tale where you are the king who married and lived happily ever after. :p :

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I live in the world where ethics still count and people have a certain amount of respect for themselves and others. I know those beliefs are getting less and less important every day, but I will not descend along with that decadence.

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Time to wake up:

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1) I stand by what I said regarding my opinion on people who cheat on their spouses 100%. Most people I know agree with my view.

2) When you say "most", it implies a far higher degree than 50% of all married people cheating on their spouses. Even the idiotic "research" you quoted didn`t show such numbers. Before throwing around stuff that is embarrassing to read, think first act later.

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Link:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A96F948260

So, next time do your homework before you decide to attack me using certain adjectives. :rolleyes:

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Do not worry for me, I have done my homework, as I am about to show you.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...g-spouses.html

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In 1994, the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago upended the conventional thought of general licentiousness (generated in large part by sex study pioneer Michael Kinsey). It showed 15 to 18 percent of "ever-married people have had a sexual partner other than their spouse while married." And just 3 to 4 percent have cheated on their spouse in any given year. In 2000, another team of researchers, led by Judith Treas, a sociologist at the University of California-Irvine, concluded that 11 percent of adults have cheated on their spouse or cohabitating partner. "There isn't any evidence of an infidelity epidemic," she says.

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Originally Posted by ioan

The problem is that nowadays Max is less willing to accommodate Bernie and this irritated the later. I would like to know the reasons for all this happening.

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We can go back and forth with this indefinately, but let me just say I don't agree with your view that Bernie is at the root of everything that is wrong with F1. His job is to protect and promote the commercial interests of the sport, whereas the FIA President's role is as head of the rulemaking body. That in itself can create a conflict of interests, particularly given the fact that Max 'n' Bernie's history as a "team" goes waaaaay back.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

2) When you say "most", it implies a far higher degree than 50% of all married people cheating on their spouses.

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50,1% is already most of them, in case you didn't follow maths before.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Even the idiotic "research" you quoted didn`t show such numbers. Before throwing around stuff that is embarrassing to read, think first act later.

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:laugh:
You are calling a study performed at the Stanford University idiotic just because it didn't support your POV! And you talk about ethics?! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Do not worry for me, I have done my homework, as I am about to show you.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...g-spouses.html

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Well, I did show you where I found that more than 50% of the people cheat on their spouse, you found one where it says it's less.
Still doesn't give you the right to call others and their opinions idiotic.
Consider the way you express yourself next time you reply to one of my posts and try to be civilized.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah sure Max changed the rules, but why? Who was losing out because the WDC was decided in July during the 2002 season?! Bernie comes to mind again.

Mind you the qualy system was also changed by Max, because only the FIA can change it, but it was in the best interest of Bernie.

The problem is that nowadays Max is less willing to accommodate Bernie and this irritated the later. I would like to know the reasons for all this happening.

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Yeah!! sounds like a sore point there. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

2) When you say "most", it implies a far higher degree than 50% of all married people cheating on their spouses.

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Most = majority= over 50%.

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Even the idiotic "research" you quoted didn`t show such numbers. Before throwing around stuff that is embarrassing to read, think first act later.

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Practice what you preach ;)




I get the feeling, somehow, that Max will be standing for re-election at the end of his reign. Firstly because he's power hungry and secondly, for all the talk of Max stepping down, there hasn't been any talk or suggestions about who would replace him.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

We can go back and forth with this indefinately, but let me just say I don't agree with your view that Bernie is at the root of everything that is wrong with F1. His job is to protect and promote the commercial interests of the sport, whereas the FIA President's role is as head of the rulemaking body. That in itself can create a conflict of interests, particularly given the fact that Max 'n' Bernie's history as a "team" goes waaaaay back.

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I won't say that Bernie is at the root of everything that is wrong with F1 - only the money side. If he is less greedy and spread the money around so the teams don't have to scrape to survive, we'd have a better F1.

Let's face it, Bernie is greedy to the detriment of F1. I would love to see Bernie get stuck in a lift with Max - I'd switch off the power and go on a ski holiday!!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah it suggests that Bernie would do anything to ensure his money flow while Max will do what it takes to keep the correctness.
It clear that they pull in different direction. However in my view Bernie is the one pulling in the wrong direction.

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Earlier in this thread, Arrows linked to a thread from last year in which you accused both Max and Bernie of both being in it for the money. Why, I must ask again, has your view of Max changed since then?