Indeed, as a father of two it has never even dawned on me to feel the need to educate my two girls on firearms use. What possible benefit can that provide? :sQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
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Indeed, as a father of two it has never even dawned on me to feel the need to educate my two girls on firearms use. What possible benefit can that provide? :sQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Students do get put out (just a bit) by our repeated fire drills (about one a month--I think it's mandated by the state), but I'm not advocating that we publicize our vigilance. Sort of like how the airlines have a undercover cop aboard all flights. We don't know who it is, but we all feel a bit safer. I do not think it's necessary to have school personnel openly carrying weapons. As I mentioned, we don't even practice our lock-down procedure. I feel safe in saying there will be no armed teachers here. I did, however, just return from a walk through the halls and saw a police officer--haven't seen that in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I frankly think--though I don't have any anecdotal evidence--that our parents (a pretty well-off lot) would actually appreciate if security were beefed up. Nothing major--just make sure visitors obtain name tags, that the faculty always wear their name tags (sometimes we forget to put them on).
We have a drug-sniffing dog on campus once a month. When we instituted this practice late last school year, there were the usual rumblings, but now it's deemed as just "business as usual."
Large public schools across the nation have a significant police presence on campus, and have since the mid-90s. Some schools have their students enter through a gate that has a metal-detector.
No, I don't think you have. I think you have completely missed BDunnell's point. Perhaps re-read and reflect upon his post.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
I get no kick from champagne , but there was a big thrill at shooting a .36cal black powder handgun with a good charge in it .Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
It was a lot of smoke and a huge bang , and a big hole in the oil barrel I killed .
That barrel won't bother me ever again .
Really? Tell me more ....Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
Will you perhaps explain why any such measures are necessary? Furthermore, would you advocate such steps being taken in all countries, and if not, why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
I'm not advocating that you allow your girls take firearms lessons, but I will respond to your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
1) After shooting a handgun, one would definitely have a sense for how much respect a gun deserves, and would be less inclined to be careless, or be around others who are careless. Let me elaborate: recently I saw a news report of the young man who encountered the Oregon mall shooter who killed two shoppers before turning the gun on himself. This guy, in his early 20s, was formerly a mall security guard, and had a permit to carry. When he heard the shots, he pulled his gun and encountered the gunman trying to change his magazine. He had the shot, but refused to take it because there were people behind him and he knew the risks of pulling the trigger. Eventually, the gunman (who had an AR-type weapon) saw this guy with his handgun aimed at him, and decided to kill himself at that point. I saw this kid being interviewed. He was big and tough-seeming, but when asked questions by the interviewer you could see that his training made him very level-headed and a "big-picture" person. He seemed enormously aware of his surroundings and quite willing to not pull the trigger. In short, knowledge is power. Granted, he may be an exception.
My brother, who has significant training, guns out the wazoo, and a permit to carry, told me that if he heard shots ring out, he would not approach the gunman, that his goal would be to still try to get out of the area with his family. His training has enabled him to protect his own while calmly dealing with the situation.
2) If they are ever involved in a discussion of gun control (we engage in discussion over hot button topics almost every day), they could speak with more credibility--it's much easier to converse with someone who can actually get to the other side of the question, one who actually has experience.
Oh come on. I'd have expected better from you. Are you seriously arguing that being exposed constantly to an environment in which heightened security is the norm has no effect? That increased security does not instil a sense of threat, and thus, in some, of fear? I consider it to be the first step on a very slippery slope.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
I would advocate that all countries do what is best for their individual circumstance, they know it far better than I. One size does not fit all. I wouldn't dream of telling them how to run their internal affairs. Hint, hint. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I don't wish to repeat myself over and over again, but the thought of such things being the norm in Europe (I have no doubt that there are instances at some schools in Europe of heightened security, for certain, specific reasons) depresses me. Nor would it be necessary as a general measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze