2008 Neste Oil Rally Finland - official thread

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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker

on the contrary. this photo is IMO no proof at all. because how can the Official FIA/WRC "judges" be 100% sure that this picture is taken on a road section during rally Finland 2008 and not somewhere else? How can they know that the pictures is not faked? If you gonna penalize a driver your evidence need to be 100% reliable. Hypothetically this photo could have been taken anywhere.

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the They can also check from the polices for info if they caught him speeding, and ask spectators who helped him to confirm. Anyway, despite supporting Mikko, I prefer that Loeb comes out okay, rather than Ford being able to take advantage from this to score more points.

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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker

on the contrary. this photo is IMO no proof at all. because how can the Official FIA/WRC "judges" be 100% sure that this picture is taken on a road section during rally Finland 2008 and not somewhere else? How can they know that the pictures is not faked? If you gonna penalize a driver your evidence need to be 100% reliable. Hypothetically this photo could have been taken anywhere.

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Don't they have in car cameras?
And GPS?
That should show the car stopping on any SS, even if they didn't show the transits.
If the car didn't stop In a SS, then these people aren't assisting IN a SS, so that leaves transits.

It would be a pity if he was excluded but rules are rules even when they're stupid.

I like Loeb and wish him well but he seems to not be paying near enough attention on transits.

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Originally Posted by bluuford

This photo is just starting point. They can take their onboard camera and recheck it. Also from GPS log, to find out where the car was stopped. You know we are in 21th century ;-)

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Damn you type faster than I do at 23.38. 8)
Had your morning cup of coffee already?

If this is outside of stage, the onboard camera are no running, it auto start when the car is turned into stage mode in the start of the stage only. Also there was no mention of him getting into a ditch during racing. But yeah, GPS. Anyway, I hope we are just over speculating and nothing too bad will come out of this.

Back to rallying, stage 22 is running now. Even if penalty will happen, I think Loeb will win this one by virtue of speed. He's unstoppable.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

That was with regards to changing a tyre though and was that not in a stage?

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Well, Safari did not have stages but competitive sections. I do not recall outright if that was on CS or not but spectator help was negligible, even so that Clerk of the Course went on to state for the record that he didn't know "if it was outside assistance or more of a outside hindrance", yet Tommi was excluded.

I agree that if Loeb gets a penalty it would leave a sour taste to this rally. On the other hand, if there is a reason to give penalty, it should be applied or that'll leave sour taste as well. It's not an easy task to be rally steward.

I would like to hear Gronholm's comments on the outcome of rally Finland...

i missed marcus.

Heh, Mikko and Seb record exactly the same time...

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Damn you type faster than I do at 23.38. 8)
Had your morning cup of coffee already?

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I think that it was milk :-)

5th fastest!

even faster than henning and sordo!

Matti is drivivng great.
His first rally with WRC car is GREAT