Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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5th June 2008, 19:26
ioan

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But surely such things as his confrontations with Silverstone and the BRDC indicate that he's not afraid of the odd contretemps, even some fairly vicious ones?

In those cases he's the one dictating cause he can any time say they got their GP moved to an eastern country.
But he can't win over Max, remember Indy 2005, Bernie wanted the race with a suplimentary chicane, Max said No, and No it stayed.
5th June 2008, 22:43
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I'm a little unclear here. Is there some behavioural norm to which we should all subscribe, then? Should anyone who uses a prostitute resign from their job because it must cloud their judgment?

Hell yeah!! if he's got five of them whacking his bum!! :eek: How would this person be able to sit down at his desk to do his job? :p : :D :rotflmao:
5th June 2008, 22:44
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yep, I'm an open minded person.

I can see that - but the windscreen wiper blades need to be changed. :p :
6th June 2008, 07:50
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

In those cases he's the one dictating cause he can any time say they got their GP moved to an eastern country.
But he can't win over Max, remember Indy 2005, Bernie wanted the race with a suplimentary chicane, Max said No, and No it stayed.

Doesn't that suggest that, as far as F1 is concerned, the sport is being pulled in different directions? That can't be healthy in the long term; something that BMW and Honda have recognised:

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BMW Sauber and Honda Racing believe the FIA must do something to address fears of a split within the governing body in the wake of the vote of confidence in Max Mosley earlier this week.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68001
6th June 2008, 07:57
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Doesn't that suggest that, as far as F1 is concerned, the sport is being pulled in different directions?

Yeah it suggests that Bernie would do anything to ensure his money flow while Max will do what it takes to keep the correctness.
It clear that they pull in different direction. However in my view Bernie is the one pulling in the wrong direction.
Look at all the changes to the qualifying system made to ensure there is a show for the viewers in the detriment of the sport (unless you believe the qualifying format we have is better than what we used to have). He was the one pushing for this.
6th June 2008, 08:11
AndyRAC

Excuse my naivity, but Bernie should just promote the races the FIA award. The rules and regs should also be left to the FIA to decide - really it shouldn't involve Bernie. Obviously we know that doesn't happen.
6th June 2008, 08:49
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Very good post.

I thought I`d never hear that from you :D

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I think Mosley's handling of the situation has been pretty awful. His comments towards the German car manufacturers were unacceptable

Yeah, that was not a very intelligent comment. I have always thought of Max has an extremely intelligent and cunning guy, but he let his emotions get the better of him there. That said, I admire his guts to say what he thinks.

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Originally Posted by ioan

The difference between having a wife or a girlfriend is only a piece of paper.
Going further, most of the married people cheat on their beloved wife/husband.

Where do you take this idiotic "most married people cheat" comment? Are you basing it on yourself? Because if you are, then remember, that not everyone has so little ethics.
Piece of paper or not, once one is in a committed relationship, not cheating is imperative.
I am shocked that someone speaks of cheating in so light manner.

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Just because someone cheats on his wife because that gives him the kick he needs doesn't mean that he isn't a trustworthy person in th eother aspects of his life.

No, but such behaviour, in my eyes, makes that person a complete ****. I have zero respect for people who cheat on their spouses. Zero. That includes max.

I have never engaged in such behaviour and to my knowledge, never has anyone I have been dating with, but I still have very very strong views on this.

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Originally Posted by ioan

And as much as Mosley enjoys confrontation and argument, Bernie hates this and is afraid of a confrontation with Max now that he stays.

LOL. Bernie is many things, but a coward? Please. This guy is a foot shorter than me, many decades older and probably 100 pounds lighter, but I would think twice about confronting him. And I love confrontations, much like Mosley does.

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Originally Posted by ioan

He did his best attempting to get rid of Max and of the confrontation they will have at the negotiations.
he knew it was his chance and tried to take advantage.

Most intelligent people don't like confrontations because they can lose and that wouldn't be OK, so they do their best to take them out of their way.

I think Bernie and Max are on much friendlier terms than it might appear to us.
Richard Williams who wrote an interesting article on that.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20..._remain_p.html

Remember, Bernie says many things, changing his story every minute, just to get his wish.
6th June 2008, 08:51
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah it suggests that Bernie would do anything to ensure his money flow while Max will do what it takes to keep the correctness.

But look at the changes to the points system, made (many said) to stop Ferrari's dominance. It was Max who pushed that through.

If people are pulling in different directions, when supposedly working for the same thing (in this case F1), the end result is damaging.
6th June 2008, 10:25
ioan

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Where do you take this idiotic "most married people cheat" comment? Are you basing it on yourself? Because if you are, then remember, that not everyone has so little ethics.
Piece of paper or not, once one is in a committed relationship, not cheating is imperative.
I am shocked that someone speaks of cheating in so light manner.

Take your time and search before slagging others.
You seem to live in a fairy tale where you are the king who married and lived happily ever after. :p :
Time to wake up:

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Annette Lawson, a sociologist affiliated with the Institute for Research on Women and Gender at Stanford University, said various studies suggest adultery has been increasing, with 25 to 50 percent of married women and 50 to 65 percent of married men now having at least one liaison at some time in a marriage.

Link:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A96F948260

So, next time do your homework before you decide to attack me using certain adjectives. :rolleyes:
6th June 2008, 10:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

But look at the changes to the points system, made (many said) to stop Ferrari's dominance. It was Max who pushed that through.

Yeah sure Max changed the rules, but why? Who was losing out because the WDC was decided in July during the 2002 season?! Bernie comes to mind again.

Mind you the qualy system was also changed by Max, because only the FIA can change it, but it was in the best interest of Bernie.

The problem is that nowadays Max is less willing to accommodate Bernie and this irritated the later. I would like to know the reasons for all this happening.

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