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Yes! Turkey!
I've watched a few onboards from the Marmaris Rally, if the rally is held there I'm not really thinking of going there. The stages look quite useless for spectating. Very slow, technical, no view at all. Hope they come up with some better stages for the actual WRC event.
They will change the route for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Last year Marmaris was really sh*t
This years one will give us an idea for WRC for sure!
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Of political reasons turkey should not be a part of any championship.
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WELL DONEQuote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
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Exactly. It's rather ironic to leave Poland for security reasons and move to a country where people are imprisoned without any reason...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Security reasons for dropping Poland is only a pretext (or rather the symptom of the underlying root cause) - the real reason is money (as usual).Quote:
Originally Posted by JUF
The money WRC promoter demands from WRC event organizers is significant. Polish Automobile and Motorcycle Federation (PZM) is too poor to afford it (in my opinion it is also heavily incompetent and inefficient in bringing sponsors to remedy the lack of money).
The result is cost saving - unfortunately PZM tries to cut the costs by impacting security. Blaming spectators in Poland is a bullsh*t - event organizers' responsibility is to make sure that it controls thousands of people (including these who don't know how to behave during special stage). It is true that Rally Poland organizer failed miserably on that front. And FIA doesn't help blaming spectators and not the organizer - PZM feels good after such FIA statement and probably won't do anything to improve.
There are issues with spectators on every rally - sometimes even with fatal results (Monte). I can show you a number of pictures and videos with spectators in very dangerous places during Rally Deutschland (plus police car on a SS route). But nobody says that these rallies should be removed from the calendar. Clear example of hypocrisy and double standards.
And Turkey? They just paid the money WRC promoter wanted - so they are in the calendar. Political prisoners? Who cares when the budget is balanced...
Will the fans or international media be effected by any political issues in a country?
I don't think so.
Are we traveling to Spain, via Barcelona in October if not flying a budget airline as some might question why I wrote that city? Yes. Terror incident occurs, should we all cancel our trips and rally there?
No.
Move on.
Turkey pays, has sponsors, has support for a rally - let them play.
Shame NZ can't bring more $$$$ to the table
You can`t compare terror attacks, which sadly take place pretty much everywhere to official country politics (in addition to terror).
Poland left out for security reasons ? No. It was safety reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUF
Imagine if a car hit a group of stupidly placed spectators and kills them, the impact this could have on the WRC and rally as a whole...
Poland had to go.
I could swear something similar happened earlier this year. Anyone remember which rally that was? Auntie Carlos, something like that? Hasn't been written about at all since it happened, so I've gotten a bit fuzzy on the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I said this on Reddit and got downvoted: when Paddon hit the spectator and killed him, I blamed MC for not having adequate spectator safety. It may not be as widespread as in Poland but their issues haven't been isolated. Hell, Latvala ran into a group of people on the outside of a square right turn covered in black ice in 2016. It's true that Poland's security issues are overblown by everyone; it's also true that spectators are out of control rally-wide. Groups of spectators ready to get hit all along a stage rather than at a few points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Spectator slipped off of a small cliff onto the stage... marshal couldn't have done anything. No one could foresee a slip on a wall could they? Be standing on a rock next to the stage in Argentina... unimaginable and no one to blame but nature if it does happen!
Slipped? He was standing near the road and got hit with the rear of the car. That falling/slipping from a cliff was after he was thrown there.
Also the possibility to slip from a cliff and get seriously injured without getting hit by a car should also be quite obvious...
Poland got yellow card in 2016... then in 2017 you got 1 stage cancelled and lot's of people in bad places even in the official broadcasts.
Clearly when other candidate events are available they had to drop them, else nobody else would care about the FIA warnings.
Note that Monte was dropped 2009-2011 also at least partly due to spectator issues.
I also think the average speed of the event is a factor:
Monte Carlo: 89kph
Poland: 116.5kph
You can't account for individual spectators taking risks which we saw the results of in Monte this year.
But you have to be able to manage the large majority of spectators and I think that is why the reaction to Poland this year has been so negative.
how long do you keep embarrassing yourself in this forum? i still remember your completely false driver rumours some years back and other false info that you have posted here.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
and also this time.
stop making fun of mentally handicapped people...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
What happened in Monte?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Onboards showed the photographer was effectively crouched in a ditch just next to the road where Hayden went off. He didn't fall off anything and was stood in an irresponsible place. It has been discussed so much this year. I guess that's why some forumers reacted angrily.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Surely he's making the point rather badly that the incident has always been rather hushed up, or at least barely acknowledged by the WRC right from the day it happened. They did a good job of burying that bad news...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...using-on-ogier
Neuville will go all in for wins. No new quotes in the article really, says he hopes they can unlock some performance in the car.
the potato dog will just crash from now on... the car does not need any performance enchantment, it need proper drivers that will not crash on stupid super specials or when you have a 10 minute lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
I do wonder how it will look like. So far this season Neuville has had quite a lot of close-calls and rarely got punished for them, most notably 2 big ones in Argentina. First run of power stage in Finland also comes to mind with at least 4 overshoots/close calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
And Germany as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
to study what at FFSA? any more info?
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Wonder what kind of program he will have and if he really only plans to do rallycross.
In any case it is very likely he will get some tarmac/circuit training which is only positive. Way too many rallydrivers neglect tarmac early in their careers and later on just don't improve on it even when they focus on it. (recent examples Østberg and Paddon).
Rallycross is more for fun and to get used to more power they have said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Suninen and Lappi started on karting and won Finnish Championships, but would you believe it based on their Rally Deutschland performances? Rallying on rough tarmac is a different sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Young Solberg competed in Estonia last weekend and accoring to the news they are planning to compete here on every rally next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Not saying it always works, but for example Mikkelsen focused quite a lot on tarmac when he was 17-18 and now he is able to fight in the top on tarmac. Think JML also did some tarmac at that age.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Is rallycross really tarmac training though? I don't follow it but from what I've seen they're just sliding all the time, doesn't look like it's much grip in those cars, almost like a gravel spec WRC on tarmac. Quite different from driving a tarmac rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
The problem with tarmac training for northern European's is just that there are barely any tarmac rallies up here. The young drivers don't have access to the mileage to develop on that surface from an early stage in their career unless they "migrate" like Mikkelsen. Perhaps many can't afford that.
Any driving training is good for all forms of motorsport
Both competed on tarmc events in the British Championship. Rally Isle of Man, Ulster & Jim Clark have a mixture of tarmac surface types which, when added to British weather, make an excellent training ground for any driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...2018-title-bid
Not surprising really...hope for better fortunes for him next year.
What does this even mean? Isn't everyone's championship title campaign written off except Ogier's, Neuville's and Tänak's? Or does this mean Paddon isn't contesting in these events?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
It doesn't say title campaign. I understand that he competes the remaining events without a specific goal for 2017 championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Right, it was writing off 'remainder of his WRC campaign' and going instead for 'title bid' in 2018. But yeah, I guess Hyundai needs him for manu points. But still quite pointless article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Rumours that Mikkelsen drives a Hyundai in spain.
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Instead of Paddon?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud