ERC is waste of time for drivers who have money and want to achieve something in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
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ERC is waste of time for drivers who have money and want to achieve something in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Hyundai are likely to turn up with 4 cars or bench Paddon at some WRC events. I would expect to see Bouffier in a Hyundai at Rally France.
Ask Mr Mikelssen, Meeke, Neuville if they feel the same..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
I also think Abbring and Lappi have brighter futures ahead than most.
No one is qualified for WDC in Rally after only 2 seasons in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Lotos wants to see Kubica in WRC and Kubica wants to drive. But he need good-prepared car. In current situation, if you want go full season in WRC, you can choose only M-Sport. But Kubica is not satisfied with that cooperation after this season. So, the most likely scenario is that Kubica will quit WRC and go back to racing at circuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
By the way. If you want to know what I meant by a good-prepared car you can also ask Francois Delecoier after his last Monte Carlo...
Apart from Neuville no one else was atrue WRC boy. Mikkelsen was just there to gain experience for VW and Meeke because he got a deal with peugeot uk and the funds were good enough for there only. ERC is not a waste of time but it is not something you can harvest talent from.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Do you think they want to go back to ERC? I'm sure they want to stay in WRC and keep gaining experience with the best drivers and toughest roads, keep learning stages and keep polishing pacenotes and setups.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Why? What he wants to achieve? Why isn't his car good enough for a private driver? I know there are some differences in "factory" and private cars, but isn't that level also depends on the payment level?Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Well, he is certainly going to do better there judging from his current Rally experience. Is this mostly sponsorship quest?Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Think so too after today´s non-announcement of Kubica/Lotos. Don´t forget entries for Monte close today.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
For me it looks like Kubica just didn't receive what he paid for. It's not about about differences between factory and private car. It's more about that M-Sport has some kind of monopoly for private cars in WRC and at some point they probably thought it doesn't matter if they put used parts as new because Kubica will crash again, but Kubica didn't crash like in Catalunya and someone discovered that M-Sport is cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
If M-Sport are monopolists in WRC private cars, how come Raikonen had Citroen when was in WRC? I don't know about used parts, I was thinking about different parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Still I'm wondering, how many times his car is broken because of used parts, and how many times because of crashes?
Then where is?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Of course not but first you have to get there, preferably with a manufacturer team, and have the skills to stay there. Kubica has the money but he was/is not ready as a driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
I'm not saying the guys who came from E/IRC were fully developed either, but you can see from the season when he won WRC2 what the results were from his starts in ERC. When he was pushed harder, as he was when he stepped up to WRC, he kept falling off the road.
Man, we are talking about 2015 season, not about how it was five years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Enough to start thinking about quit WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Money rules the world. Budget determines the number of possible cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
If he thinks that worn parts are behind his misfortune, then it might be best to retire. Because the real problem is the inability to keep the car on the road.
I don't think the situation is different. True, most of the privateers has been driving Ford recent years, but Raikonen is some exception, isn't he? May be he just pays more?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Fair assessment. I also think his future is not in WRC, most likely on circuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Yeah of course, but it just your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
By the way, you know what is Malcolm Wilson's favourite song?
Dire Straits - Money For Nothing
Why do you think the situation is different?Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
During the Citroen C4 era privateers such as Kimi Räikkönen, Urmo Aava and Conrad Rautenbach have used Citroen. In the Xsara period there were numerous privateers.
A man like Kubica who´s also paying big money just want the best parts. Maybe he found out something this year and wanted Citroen because he´d get the best. Maybe so. True is that Ford (M-Sport) has two cars with the very best classified parts. 3rd and4th drivers use older parts (not second hand, only parts that gives less performance). At least that was the case a couple ot years ago.
Ok and now, please remind us how many privateers were using DS3WRC in 2014?Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
No, just facts. Winning factory team cars were always little more harder to get to, than always customer friendly Ford (not always M-Sport btw).Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Ha-ha. You forget one thing, in market economy, the customer controls the market. That is another fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Wilson just makes cars on affordable price, and that seem to be a good thing in WRC crisis times. For sure customers don't expect spacecraft technology, do they?
You answer a question with a question. Unless you know for sure that PH Sport doesn't rent out DS3 WRCs, then you should rest your case because your argumentation is next to none.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
No, it's not fact, I'd rather called it a mirage.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
If You mean mirage by "I want the best, but the smallest price I can pay", You're far away from truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Jari-Matti Latvala had nothing of it and he's doing fine in WRC. ERC is not the only path to be a good rally driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
You need to remember that JML is a proper rally driver and Robert is only a men in a rally driver suit...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
BTW. Is it normal that sometimes even if you are wrong you are standing behind a back of a driver from your country?
BTW 2: "We sent an entry for the Rallye Monte-Carlo today. See you on the stages!" From RK Facebook
well I hope kubica stays in wrc.
Jari-Matti Latvala has competed in JWRC 2004, in PWRC 2006, 2005 mostly Group N entries and from 2007 onwards in WRC. So you can't say he didn't come through the lower championships, be it national or WRC sub-championshipQuote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
It hasn't exactly been a smooth ride for Latvala has it? Talented guy but also lucky to have had an extremely patient team manager all those years. Maybe it would have been better for his career in the long term if he had learned some discipline when he was young too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
Yes, it hasn't. The good thing he didn't quit when all this negativity was hitting him.
Anyone can be really, depending on him....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartek
Wohoo, good for him. I think the Rally is the best a driver can develop upon. Good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartek
Jari-Matti had a very good promotor in Timo Jouhki giving him chances all over again because of his abilities which didn´t always show up because of some failures. So he has´nt been exposed to impatient teammanagers. Maybe only MW back in some years.
However it´s a big difference in taking part in ERC rallies having different stages but to take part in JWRC and PWRC championships doing same stages as the WRC.
Valmar | retweetedQuote:
Originally Posted by Bartek
Mark_ @JoMoWRC
Motorsport Island says Robert Kubica will be at Rallye MonteCarlo 2015 with a Ford Fiesta WRC of A-Style team. #Kubica #WRC
If it's true in my opinion already before the start Kubica is in a wrong place...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Why?
So he was criticizing M-Sport, left it for Citroën, failed the negotiations with them and ended in a private team with dubious reputation using again M-Sport cars just not the works ones. Do I understand that correct? Anyway it doesn't sound like a win to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
He closed too many doors and lost. And I wouldn´t bet him doing many WRC rallies in 2015, not even all the European rounds. From my local point of view a start at Jänner Rallye in ERC seems unlikely now, too.
How do you know that? Which doors he closed? Do you have some details about negotiations, sponsors and so on?Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
He hat some arguments with M-Sport about the car and talked about it freely to media. And he´s said not to be in good mood with Yves Matton since summer, too.
I know about M-sport, but the rest is only speculation.
Rumors say, he'll return to M-Sport from Sweden onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek