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To an extent. It was a technique which Ayrton Senna relied on occasionally: to literally scare drivers out of the way becuase he had a reputation that he was coming through regardless. Dirty, calculating, cynical... perhaps. But it worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Another case of engage-brain-before-speaking for Lewis.
The Ali G quote is stupid and in poor taste but not malicious I think, it was just said in a moment of frustration. For me, it's the inability to take responsibility for his actions and the total lack of respect and arrogance towards his fellow drivers that's disappointing. I know being successful requires a certain level of self believe and confidence but that doesn't have to translate into disrespecting your peers. Paul di Resta virtually had an identical incident in Monaco and yet he held his hands up, apologised and assumed responsibility. Lewis needs to learn some humility and stop making these stupid comments.
Be interesting to see how Lewis responds around Canada. He is normally brilliant around there. Could be a crazy race, and we could see somone like Lewis step up and finally beat Vettel the Bull.
I think to a degree everyone who is involved in a collision is a bit to blame. To finish First, first you must finish as they say.
Lewis was a bit quick to dive up the inside of Maldonado knowing he is a rookie, he could well make a mistake, and Pastor made an error and cost himself points. Don't think he would have done that just to keep Hamilton behind, he must have just misunderstood the incident in that split second and his inexperience cost him points, while Lewis just needed to be careful.
I know it was 3 or 4 laps only from the end, and lewis takes risks, but if he had retired along with Pastor then 0 points as opposed to 6 or whatever he got.
When I first saw the incident between Lewis and Pastor. I had it as 80%-20% Lewis fault.
Now after seeing it again I agree he was along way up the inside, but I stand by with a driver like Maldonado you are never quite sure how they will react.
I now have the collision at about 50-50.
As for the Massa Incident, well that was silly and clumsy.
If you look at the replay Massa was very close to Webber and actually touched him, I think while looking for Lewis behind him he was caught out by how close he was to Webber and this caused the change of line into the hairpin.
I think it was all too close and sometimes at Monaco with 4 or 5 cars nose to tail even if there is a half gap to pass, you sometimes need to just sit behind the car in front and wait for the cars ahead to spread a little.
There are a number of reasons why Pastor might not have seen him .Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
As one can see from the stills provided , the shoe went in at a different angle , clearly showing the intention of taking the corner on the racing line . He is experienced enough to know that he had another option there , if he entered on line . He had it figured by then , that Lewis was going to make his attempt at a pass .
We can't know if he knew because of his mirrors , or his ears , as the McLaren came alongside , but he reacted by giving room , as he knew he was there .
If you look at the Maldonado incident , he has a car ahead he is watching , and no doubt can hear .
He also has another car besides Lewis not too far behind that he can likely hear as well .
Then , he has Lewis to listen for as well , all in the echo chamber of Ste Devote , at the end of the main straight "hall" .
When it gets crowded in there , and it was , you don't get that clear sonic clue where Lewis was , that Michael had . Michael had no others around him but Lewis .
Given he had a guy ahead , Pastor had that distraction as well .
If you add to that , the fact that he tried and failed to intimidate Lewis , going in at first , a different angle , and second , tighter , it means he likely figured he wasn't there at all until it was too late .
It should be obvious to all that he would not have turned in to cause a crash . That would be stupid , especially near the end of the race , with his team as it is , so lacking in points .
From all I've seen , I don't believe he knew he was there , and further than that , I think he thought he wasn't there .
Erm, sorry now but this is completely far fetched wishful thinking here. You're saying that Maldonado couldn't tell the difference in hearing a car two or three metres from his head and a one 100m in front of him? You're also saying that a car a further 50M back somehow made him believe Lewis wasn't there? This is desparate. Hearing a car 100M in front of you and a one 50 M behind is fine but the McLaren was right beside him. C'mon now, in fairness, he had his mirrors, he had his ears and a McLaren engine pumping into his ears and you say to me that he didn't know Lewis was there? If he can't distinguish between a McLaren right in his ear and two cars 100M in front and 50M behind him the man should not be in F1. The cars around him have nothing to do with influencing his decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I agree it's possible he didn't know Lewis was there, but that's only the case if he wasn't listening and didn't look in his mirrors or hadn't positioned them correctly. If an F1 driver hasn't done that then any incident that occurs as a result of that is his fault.
*Senna movie spoiler alert*
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LOL, I was wondering when that clip would rear its head.
Senna's lets call it 'style' has no place in modern F1... Now if you lament this then tough, but F1 has moved on and in doing so has not had a driver fatality for 17 years longer than t any time in it's history... a fact I wish to see extened.
Just because 20+ years ago it was acceptable to 'race' by being more willing to crash and force a pass than the next guy (despite the actual risk to life) we should be more accepting of Hamiltons 'style' today... well I don't think so.... Lewis relies in part on the fact that he is the only one driving like this... if everyone chose to emulate his more cavalier approach we would have nothing but safety cars and red flags.
Couldn't agree more. People are trying to justify last weekend because Senna would have done the same or Schumacher let Hamilton through or whatever, that's besides the point, Hamilton aimed for spaces he must surely have known weren't going to be there in a second or two and he got penalised.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper_S