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2nd August 2008, 23:53
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by cut the b.s.

Surely even you would not like to see a rally won or lost in this way?

A crazy situation for Loeb to find himself in though, was it Richard Burns who retired on the Safari in 02 within sight of the service park but was bogged down and noone could help them?

yeah....
3rd August 2008, 00:13
bluuford

It looks that Loeb was a little bit stuck on top of that well-drain cover with his sump guard. That is why he needed the help of spectators or that is why spectators reached there before he could leave on his own and someone managed to switch on his/her camera.

But if you think a little, it is stupid mistake anyway:-) You are driving in full speed for 170km per day and then go off while driving on Sunday driving speed. If Loeb gets penalized for example with five minutes then He gets 6th place and Hirvonen wins chapionshipthen we can call that this year the championship was decided on road sections ;-) 10 points lost in Jordan.. on road section and 7 points lost in Finland.. on road section :-P
3rd August 2008, 02:52
tmx

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Originally Posted by Isthmus

What ? Seb won and dominates on the stages and then, with the car OK and working/pushing, just because 3 or 4 persons pushes it 2/3meters(and by the video it looks like the car would get out nicely), it is a farce ??

:s mokin:

Did you not read what the other people said about tomi and petter? Although I don't have any bias feeling about this situation, my guess is nothing will happen.
3rd August 2008, 05:13
Helstar

Well I wouldn't like if anything happen too ... afterall, in the special stages spectators help without any problem, so I think that if the rule is that outside special stages it is forbidden then it's wrong, either you allow help everywhere or not.

BUT let's not start yelling "farce !" if any penalty happens, we should still remember the Portugal 2007 farce which costed Bosse title ... and also the engine change in the shakedown in one of the early rally (Mexico ? if I remember well) which was over the penalty line IMHO ...
3rd August 2008, 06:28
White Sauron

Well, I did write to the organizers.)) Breaking the rules is breaking the rules.
3rd August 2008, 06:55
wwbroe

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Originally Posted by White Sauron

Well, I did write to the organizers.)) Breaking the rules is breaking the rules.

It would be a farce if Loeb would get a penalty for this. WRC is allready almost dead but this kind of things could mean the complete end. Because if rally's are not decided any more on the stage's but before the "green table", or with stupid tactic games, then what is the idea about it. But, you are right, maybe this way the pathetic Ford-boys may have another title after all.
3rd August 2008, 06:58
cosmicpanda

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Originally Posted by wwbroe

But, you are right, maybe this way the pathetic Ford-boys may have another title after all.

so Ford drove Loeb's car off the road?
3rd August 2008, 07:11
Jaanus

They say in Finnish rally radio that Loeb was speeding 101 km/h when the limit was 60 km/h and he might loose his driving licence for 1-6 months. The police will decide the penalty after the rally.
For example PG Andersson lost his licence for few months last year and missed Finland and Germany.
Also PWRC driver Gabor Mayer lost his licence for the rest of the year this year. Gabor was driving 60 km/h over the limit and was replaced by Tapio Suominen in this rally.
3rd August 2008, 07:12
Ghostwalker

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Originally Posted by MJW

From the photos it is plainly obvious that Loeb got outside assistance and according to the rulebook this is subject to a penalty.

on the contrary. this photo is IMO no proof at all. because how can the Official FIA/WRC "judges" be 100% sure that this picture is taken on a road section during rally Finland 2008 and not somewhere else? How can they know that the pictures is not faked? If you gonna penalize a driver your evidence need to be 100% reliable. Hypothetically this photo could have been taken anywhere.
3rd August 2008, 07:18
bluuford

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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker

on the contrary. this photo is IMO no proof at all. because how can the Official FIA/WRC "judges" be 100% sure that this picture is taken on a road section during rally Finland 2008 and not somewhere else? How can they know that the pictures is not faked? If you gonna penalize a driver your evidence need to be 100% reliable. Hypothetically this photo could have been taken anywhere.

This photo is just starting point. They can take their onboard camera and recheck it. Also from GPS log, to find out where the car was stopped. You know we are in 21th century ;-)

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