for who is working Suninen?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
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for who is working Suninen?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
from some angles is nice
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzlBlz-WQAEUp2f.jpg
just a few questions for the technically minded amongst you. It looks like the yaris wrc has the biggest spoiler of the 2017 generation WRCs. is it the smallest of the base models? and is the massive spoiler used to possibly "give the effect" of a bigger car, maybe length and weight distribution wise---apart from aero benefits?
Not only I'm not convinced about the car, I think they have by far the weakest driver line-up from all teams.
http://toyotagazooracing.com/pages/c...nformation.pdf
Length / width / height: 4085mm (inc. aero device)/ 1,875mm / adjustable
Track width: Adjustable
Wheelbase: 2,511mm
Minimum weight: 1,190kg
Maybe.. I would take Hanninen and Lappi over Breen/Lefebvre personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
i try to keep an open mind about the car since inception, and at first it was not looking so good, but the last few videos it does seem to be improving and moving in the right direction. I suppose more testing and adjustments will be made along the way as they gather feedback and data----at least i hope so. i recall Hyundai didn't look so good at first either, but came on better as a time passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
hopefully toyota follow a similar developmental path, as starting from scratch does take some doing and commitment.
let's give them a chance and see what happens.
thanks Mr. OliveiraQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
That's 2016 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Damm it :) you are right
I think also Citroen is on par with Finnish boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
For Hanninen there will be no excuse of not knowing or feeling the car. He has to deliver results straight away or will be out of WRC for good. Young gun Sunninen is waiting in the queue.
https://motorsport.hyundai.com/ng-i2...ications-2017/Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Chassis / Bodywork
StructureSteel bodyshell with welded multi-point roll cage
BodyworkSteel and composite fiber panels
Length / Width4,100/1,875mm
Track width1,665mm
Wheel base2,570mm
Lol, Tommi you forgot about some French guy in the field
Tommi Mäkinen as a guest in Finnish news discussion program #AStudio, saying we'll see a Finnish WRC champ in 2018. "Have to be optimistic."
https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/s...49367469494272
Livery looks like made by a 7 year old.
The driver decisions... hmm. I can see the reasoning behind Hänninen, he tested so long and there were not many available when he was signed. Mäkinen ows a lot of his career to Jouhki, so was "forced" to rescue Latvala. Mikkelsen would have better choise. Lappi is a talent, hope they can get a third car running asap. What testing will he get? Regulations restrict testing days and the race driver will want to test as much as possible to set up the car. And the boss still wants to test. Maybe they start developing R5? Hope so for Lappis sake, otherwise he will do nothing...
Never said I didn't like them for competition... great they're competing and the more cars the better!
Not only are all Toyota drivers Finnish but all the Finnish drivers are in Toyota.. so over to you Tommi.Quote:
Originally Posted by maciotacio
If Toyota didn't succeed, it could be dissaster to hopes of see Finnish crowned World champion soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
TGR WRC is registered to Finland and they can test there all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Lappi is able to drive every week during the winter and collect the experience. If Esapekka´s 1st event is Portugal (May 19/21) it will possible to drive on gravel also in Finland at the end of April / beginning of May after the winter time.
That´s true! Not very good situation if the car is much weaker that others. The season 2017 is in any case the development year for the Toyota Gazoo Racing WRC, but there must be some potential to show if it will be possible to win in 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by electroliquid
Mäkinen said that all the drivers have only one year contract, so you never know what will happen in 2018...
Did he say that yesterday? Some time ago, he said about 2 years contract for Hanninen.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
Yes, but Tommi said also that all the contracts are "flexiple". Both the team and the drivers are able to negotiate what they will do for the season 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by maciotacio
He said also that they are looking for the future and I would be rather sure that Lappi´s contract must be longer and who knows what is the situation with Suninen and Rovanperä :)
codrivers are also happy, cause they're passengers anyway, but drivers are so worried having to drive that car, already knowing what downtime it's going to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Mäkinen is happy, because he has tested it and thinks it is good. Only problem is, that when a faster driver drives it, suspension doesn't work anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Meeke is faster then Latvala, both aren't super reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by maciotacio
Breen is better then Hanninen, Hanninen hasn't been competing for years.
Lefebvre is on the level of Lappi I think. Less talented but more experience, should be quite equal.
Breen better than Hänninen? Seriously? Hänninen hasn't been competing for a few years indeed... When he was in the Hyundai i20 WRC he had a lot of issues and some crashes, but when things went well he was setting better stage-times than Neuville. ;)
Yes, seriously. Based on Breens results this year and the lack of competition of Hanninen, I rate Breen higher then Hanninen.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
The more I hear bashing like this - the more I want Toyota to succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Seriously, why are you so negative about it? Yes, I know Yaris is built in a farm of Makinen… but from another point of view it looks quite good:
It has backing from Toyota
It has sponsor
It looks nice (!)
It looks quite good on recent tests (remember Hyundai in 2014)
It’s drivers lineup looks like this:
One IRC and S-WRC champion who never had proper chance to shine in WRC (and did a lot of testing in Yaris)
One fast guy who has 16 WRC wins under his belt (okay, he might not be next WRC champion, but he definitely can show Yaris potential)
One young gun
For me, all of it looks quite nice! I wish all the best for them!
well said mate i totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcco
I remember when Colin joins Ford back in 1999 the relibiality problems they had and i think that this is the case next year,not for Fiesta but for all cars.
C3 will be the more reliable car.
Guys, stop saying how poor was Hyundai at the beginning! It's totally incomparable. Don't you have an idea of their recources and infrastructure?! From the very beginning they showed not only high ambitions but also determination to achieve them. That's why so many professionals went there without doubt. And in 2016 they were "working" even more than VW. What do we have in Finland at the same time - one old man who has a hobby to drive rally cars at safe pace and hates anyone else's opinions! Only facility upgrade to meet WRT demands is one external toilet. Sorry but the bashing they get here is at the bare minimum. Of course it's better to have them rather than not, do not get me wrong.
Seriously I don't get people like you, how is Mäkinen any different than Malcolm? both are ex drivers, they also have their facilities at bulding that was not ment to be WRC factory from get go and are you saying that TGR guys arent working their butts off to make the car as good as possible? How can you say that Mäkinen hates opinions from others? Have you seen what they have already done and at the moment doing to their current place in Puuppola? it's seems to be bit more than just one toilet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Fact is Hyundai was poor at beginning, just like we all expect Toyota to be but I have faith in them.
This is exactly the kind of BS post by some total idiot which was referred to in the earlier post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Everybody wants Toyota to be a winning car. Nobody hopes the opposite. But someone can try to predict what will be the outcome judging from what he knows and that prediction can be negative.
It's totally normal unless you live in a fairy tale where everything is positive and nothing bad happens.
Let´s see how Monte goes...
Hope everyone remembers who Hyundais 1st Monte went...
And Hyundai is best team now, maybe. So I believe Toyota can do same.
If Toyota is Top 5 in first rallies I´m happy. But I believe they will get some podium places next year, 1st place finish, don´t think so.
If I remember correctly than first Monte for Peugeot 206 WRC was even worse I think none of the cars started to the rally because battery was dead after parc ferme, so Toyotas start can`t be worse than that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Its not that I hope they fail, quite the opposite. Just that with all the info I have and what I have followed, it just doesn't look good. Like I said, I hope they prove me wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Marcco
So, what do you like in the sport of rallying (WRC) ?? Tell us.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
No matter how hard the propaganda machine works that thing that makinen put together is nothing more than a finnish nationalistic flop tower.
Its going to be really fun when the same propaganda machine will try and defend the nothingness they produce event by event.
I wonder if latvala has brought with him any posters from his VW days to hang around.
pathetic and useless.
It's development year for all teams. That's why these forced restarts via change of rules are done from time to time. The aim is to bring all teams on the same start line (of course not totally possible). All of them have same conditions for future development - same number of jokers etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
That's a fair point but probably the info you got is the same we got: they’ve started a WRC team from almost scratch; their facilities aren’t state of the art but they’re good enough for the job; despite the remote location they’ve managed to attract experienced staff; they’ve designed and hugely tested a whole new WRC car in a very limited time; the car is ready and will be homologated without delay; they’ve got a balanced driver line up for their first season…honestly, anyone looking at this facts in a sensible and fair way will be puzzled to find all the wrong doings appointed by the eager critics of this Makinen/Toyota venture. To me they've already proved they're a serious WRC contender and I'm quite happy to see Toyota back in WRC alongside TMR. Best luck to them!Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Wasn't it Škoda's first WRC start or Peugeot failed so hard too? I don't remember anymore :(Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS