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That's pretty much my feeling too - not sufficient advantage for the outlay on the new phone especially when there are also downsides (the new connector)
The sensible thing is to stick with my perfectly good 4S until the 5S / 6 comes out. Or the likes of Samsung comes out with something amazing.
Me still tented by iPhone 5 but will probably wait for the S version as my 4S works perfectly !
I was apologizing for the silly video ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
I know of friends and family that are very excited with their new iPhone as I know of many others that are very happy with their existing iPhones and will wait for the next versions to arrive and see if it attracts their fancy. i'm one of those. My 4S rocks!
I now have a problem that I'm thinking I'm going to be keeping my 4S for a while - but not forever, I'll be getting a phone with a lightening port eventually. So if I see a cool thing that will work with dock connectors, should I buy it, cos it'll stop working when I eventually do upgrade!
That's one reason why I bought an external battery with a USB cable rather than an integrated dock connector, as even 6 months ago I had a good idea the dock connector was on it's way out.
People are probably just holding it wrong... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I have bought a 64Gb 4S on eBay and ordered a "recycling" envelope, the upgrade from 16Gb is costing me £75. Very happy with that, just in time for going on holiday with.
What? Apple released a(nother) product with issues? Impossible!
Next they will ask you to cut your fingernails very very short in order not to scratch the ultra sensitive screen!
Oh well. Those who knew that the iPhone 5 will be pants will have fun and those who think that Apple is producing the best products for the highest prices will never realize the issues anyway. Everyone is happy!
Well, well, so it's suddenly all about hardware now? I thought Apple users didn't care about hardware performance. All that was important was how "smooth and easy" the interface was. :s ailor:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Also, why should it be such a big surprise? The iPhone 5 is 5 months newer and about 200 pounds more expensive (Sim free - Source: Amazon UK) than the Galaxy S3. It should absolutely blow any other competitor out of the water, but it's barely beating them, and that too not definitively. Are we just happy that Apple are not majorly disappointing again?!?
Also, Geekbench is not the definitive source for hardware tests. Different tests will show up different results. Here for example the international quad core Galaxy S3 scores higher than the iPhone 5:
iPhone 5 benchmarks: Slower than the Galaxy S3, faster than the Nexus 7 | ExtremeTech
In different tests, the Galaxy S3 has scored in the 1800s, 1900 and some even 2100 (See Nexus 7) depending on what OS they are running. 4.1 Jellybean generally resulting in higher scores.
Also FYI, more cores don't automatically make a processor faster, especially if the clock speed is lower. So, a quad core can work slower than a dual core based on clock speeds alone. Also, the processor isn't everything. A lot can depend on the motherboard as well, this is where Apple's A6 system-on-chip is making the difference. You can see this on PCs. On the whole a dual core can seem faster than a quad core, but a quad core will be better when multitasking.
It doesn't work Henners. I still want a galaxy s3... or s2 plus if that's for real... if I win the lottery.
It's so difficult not to bash the iphone 5, especially how Apple has held back in features, yet again, and dropped the ball on maps. But in the interest of saving time, just a few points:
1. No, a 0.5 inch bigger screen doesn't make it the best iphone ever. It's nonsense. If you're going to increase it to 4 inches, why not add another 0.5 inches and put it right bang in the middle with its bigger competitors? How much is 0.5 inches going to hurt your pocket? The fact remains, gaming and movie playback will be more enjoyable on its competitor's larger screens. Besides it even lacks in the battery department, in standby time and talk-time, to the larger S3 with a more power hungry quad core processor.
2. Why is NFC and wireless charging missing, when it's already available on Galaxy S3 and Lumia 920?? Agreed that NFC is far away from global implementation, but many establishments have started with NFC paypoints, and you can already pay using Google Wallet. Why isn't it future proof? Do iPhone users have to wait for 5S or iPhone 6 for such features?
3. Apple Maps is a major suckety sucketash epic fail. Rarely have I seen a major company coming out with such a ridiculously incomplete product. But it seems, the sheep have embraced it with open arms. And people claiming that Google Maps was once crap. Well, it took them 7 years of insanely fast development rate to get where they are now. Will Apple get all that data in a couple of months? No. It's a catastrophe, which I assume would have been avoided if Jobs was still alive.
Apple already poaching peeps who worked on Google maps: Apple poaching Google Map makers to fix iOS 6 maptastrophe | News | TechRadar
Yeah, good luck Apple.
Their latest iteration iOS6 has been globally underwhelming, from its stale design to lacking major features to the sucktastic Maps. Techradar.com is one of the more unbiased tech websites I frequent on, and they have scored it lesser than 4.1 Jelly Bean.
iOS6 review - 3.5/5 Stars
iOS 6 review | Operating systems Reviews | TechRadar
Android 4.1 Jelly Bean review - 4.5/5 Stars
Android 4.1: Jelly Bean review | Operating systems Reviews | TechRadar
Google are focusing on better integrating their search engine, maps and other Google services with their Mobile OS.
Apple are focusing on better integrating Facebook...
iHate this silly bickering thread . . . . . whoops! wrong thread! :dozey:
does your phone/tablet work? good
do you like your phone/tablet? good
did you spent your hard earned money where you wanted to invest it phone wise or tablet wise? good
you don't like your phone/tablet and want a new one? focus on research and affordability
do you prefer your phone/tablet (put your brand here) to the other phone/tablet? that's fine - thank goodness for free will and different tastes
should we talk about the wonderful technological advances of the many mobile phones and tablets that are out there? yes! that's what this thread is about.
should we criticize other products? . . . . . of course, if that is what we think is relevant- but without putting down the person that doesn't agree with you.
iHate this partisan/put down energy that this thread some times get into. ** and this is the right thread to post this in.
rant over, I'll get my coat.
:s mokin:
I'm one of those rare people who likes to keep their phone in their pocket along with my wallet, keys, coins and various other bits of manly paraphenalia. Call me close-minded but the moment I'm not quite comfortable with graduating to a man-bag or a clutch to store my bits and pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Therefore I find this entire penis extension "my screen is bigger than yours" race ridiculous. The iPhone 4 is a handy size as is my old Desire. My Sensation is about as big a phone as I can reasonably fit in my pocket (oo-err missus). The S3 and One X, while nice phones, are far too large for practicality. If anything I want smaller screen size not bigger. If I want to watch some video I'll take myself to a TV or a monitor, not whip out my phone.
Therefore I'm glad Apple has restricted itself to a small screen extension and even better maybe their next one will be smaller. Ditto the other phone makers.
What would be interesting would be to find out at what levels within the company the mistakes were made. Where was quality control? How long did the software stay in the beta phase? Was there too much pressure from up top to rush the whole thing? Its pretty obvious that catastrophic failures like this are going to have involved mistakes or collusion from several different departments.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
I'm sure Apple will somehow get over this problem but if they have another one they will find it difficult convincing the stock market that there isn't something seriously wrong with the way they manage projects.
The thing is, snobs are never gonna admit that they are in fact snobs. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
This is a real conversation with an Apple fan after the iPhone 5 was launched. Mind you, his salary is not very high, but he takes loans to pay for his "gadgets" to gel in the "high society":
Apple fan: Dude, I'm gonna buy the 5.
Me: Are you sure? The maps are busted, there's no NFC, no wireless charging, and it's hardly a big upgrade over 4S.
Apple fan: But it's Apple! They say it's the best iPhone ever. It's 2X everything.
Me: But you're only 1 year into your current 4S contract, you're gonna extend it AND pay ridiculous money?
Apple fan: Yeah, why not?
Me: Why not go for Samsung, HTC or the new Nokia? You'll practically get them for free.
Apple fan: Because it's an Apple, and I don't wanna be seen using a phone from a manufacturer who also makes my washing machine.
:arrows:
Sour grapes :D
Hey, I agree it's an impressive piece of tech, but don't you agree that Apple are again holding back by not giving some key features which are already available in the flagship models of their nearest competitors, Samsung and Nokia?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Look dude, I don't care what size Apple make their phone in, as I'm never gonna buy one. I was retorting to Apple making a big hub-a-bub over their "larger screen" in the promotional video, and what an "extreme collaborative" effort it was. They were also showing The Avengers playing on the iPhone 5 and also displayed some of the games. So, they're obviously using the bigger screen as a strong selling point. All of which is fine, but the fact remains streaming movies and playing games will always be better on a 4.8 inch screen. So, the iPhone might have well been at 3.5 inches, as a puny increase of 0.5 inches is not gonna make much difference anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
I believe it's arrogance on Apple's part. They just didn't realize what an impressive effort Google Maps really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
I think they put my thoughts into words perfectly in their review of the iPhone 5:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
iPhone 5 review: Verdict | Phone Reviews | TechRadar
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We disliked
The iPhone 5 isn't without its faults though – it's a handset that suffers from an ageing OS that doesn't look overly different from when it was launched five and a half years ago.
There are so many tweaks Apple could make to its OS to turn it into more of a powerhouse – icons that update with information, or extending the widgets in the notification bar beyond weather and stocks.
If only developers could add that functionality to apps so you could see updates in the notifications bar (seeing as it won't add anything to the home screen) – but Apple is taking things very slowly on this front.
The closed garden nature of iOS is also irritating, as it means you can't share items to Dropbox without connecting up to iTunes or send files to your mates via Bluetooth.
And then there's the lack of NFC, although we do see Apple's reasons for omitting the technology. It's not quite there yet in terms of market penetration for payments, but the world's largest network of accessories could definitely have made use of it for making ever cooler docks and cases.
Finally, there's the everlasting issue of the iPhone price. We simply cannot see how a 16GB model can cost £529 / $199, but to double the memory will cost an extra £70/ $100 with not other changes to the design.
And then your look at the contract price – it's far and away the most expensive in the shop, and most of the time you don't even get unlimited data.
There are plenty of other models on the market that are the equivalent of the iPhone 5, such as the Samsung Galaxy S3, HTC One X or the forthcoming Nokia Lumia 920, and none approach the price of Apple's flagship.
Well, then you should be happy with your purchase and ignore the criticisms. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I'm sure you will get it soon enough. I gotta tell ya, I won't mind having an iPhone 5...............only if it was free. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Carrying on from my previous post:Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
4. The panorama shot option is nothing new, and is already present in the 5 month old Samsung Galaxy S3, before that in a Sony Ericsson, and before that in a Nokia. It's a useless gimmick and can obviously never replace a proper panorama shot taken from a wide lens of a professional camera with a bazillion megapixels.
5. Why does Apple stick with the LCD screen, when almost all of its competitors have the newer, more advanced OLED screens on their flagship models? - Why the iPhone 5 doesn't have an AMOLED screen | News | TechRadar
6. 4G LTE. Samsung and LG both appear to be readying lawsuits regarding 4G LTE patents, prime target being Apple, and stand to make a lot of money over it, and may even block iPhone 5 and iPad 3 from using 4G LTE (highly doubtful in Apple's backyard, USA), which could spell potential bad news for people wanting to do effective cloud computing outside of Wi-Fi zones and even use video chat features such as Facetime:
Samsung: We'll sue Apple over LTE technology | News | TechRadar
LG readies itself for next level of patent wars | News | TechRadar
Petty lawsuits, I know, but Apple started it all with their rounded corners crap.
Do you work for Apple or are you somehow Steve Jobs' reincarnation?!Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I never met someone who would get so worked up because of a stupid phone and a bit of well deserved criticism.
Each of them focuses on the interests of their core customers, and it should be like that, cause you can't sell the same smartphone to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Like 99% of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Right, not at all. Make sure you are a good boy or else Santa Claus will not bring you any presents.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Well, after the iphone lovefest/bashfest over the last couple of pages, I believe we should move on. The thread is called "Mobile phones and tablets" after all. Two neat launches in the last 10 days.
Motorola and Intel pair up and hit 2 Ghz. Motorola Razr i
AnandTech - Motorola Hits 2GHz with Intel Powered RAZR i
Could be the fastest Android phone yet, but not very impressed by the lower resolution compared to other flagship phones.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6307/razri_575px.jpg
And HTC's Windows Phone 8X and 8S.
AnandTech - The Windows Phone 8X and 8S by HTC
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/631...lue_575px.jpeg
Impressive specs, and with the Windows OS, it should smoke both iPhone and Galaxy S3 in terms of speed. But HTC disappoints again with lack of MicroSD support.
FYI Nokia is suing HTC for this design. :crazy:
"It's not Apple", APPLE! Jeez henners, you're snobbing it wrong. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Because of the restrictions on iPhone's some features.
I prefer android.
Because Ruth is probably just here to spam.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMsLA...e_gdata_player
LOL..... I know that's obviously not the typical iPhone user but sadly there are some people like this......
It's good to see someone other than Nokia making an effort with a Windows Phone :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
:laugh: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
She's definitely gonna get a lot of texting done on her "Apple 5".
Saw this Jimmy Kimmel prank after the iPhone launch as well. Again, this is not generalizing against all iPhone users. Besides, it's easy to mistake as the two devices really look so similar and these guys didn't have any time playing around with the iPhone 5. Funny nonetheless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4
A lot's being made about the usefulness or otherwise of NFC, as hardly any retailers support it, but now that the other half's also got an S3 it suddenly makes sense: we can share apps, links, pictures, files or whatever simply by touching the handsets together. No faffing about with menus or contact lists (and definitely no sodding iTunes), and it's context sensitive to know what you want to share.
I suspect it will remain a niche product until it crops up in the iPhone 6 at which point it will suddenly become the iTag, the most magical new invention since the deliberately crippled video calling service Facetime! :p
I'm sure you know Samsung also has a Windows phone, the Omnia II.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
http://cdn1.mos.techradar.futurecdn....rge-900-90.jpg
And I think they're gonna launch a Windows 8 phone soon too?
Ah well, forgot about the Ativ S. Samsung's attempt at Windows Phone 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
ATIV S - Samsung ATIV
http://mashable.com/2012/08/29/samsu...84815Side-View
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It occurs to me that the mobile phone situation has finally come around to be a mirror of the personal computer situation. With a 3 way battle between Microsoft, Apple and Linux.
Yep, and in a completely reverse manner, with Linux (Android) dominating, Apple second and Microsoft third!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
For how long is this sustainable though? Right now Apple are perceived as a premium product because, with a tiny handful of exceptions, there are no handsets which come close to their quality. This is changing rapidly, and it's unlikely there'll be a new iPhone for another year, allowing more and more competitors to close the gap or overtake. There'll surely come a time when Apple cannot justify their high price. They're clearly cash rich enough to take a hit on their margins, so I wonder if we'll eventually see the price reduced to compete, or whether they'll be happy as a nice product with a high margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
For those missing decent maps on iOS6, download the Bing app, it's no google, but it's way better than Apples steaming turd.