Saddam Hussein Hanged

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I guess the Arab world invading Israel doens't count?

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Have they done that? And I mean Arab countries, not some organizations like Hamas or Hezbollah.

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Originally Posted by Eki

My point is that people in sovereign nations should decide if they want to die for their their freedom or not. No outside nation has the right to decide it for them. :

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Israel doesn't count. Right Eki? You ought to be very careful, the neo-Nazi underground movement in Europe might want to be putting you on the mailing list.

You are just too easy to debate Eki, you argue in circles and I can go through a week's worth of posts and find quotes that put you out to be the pathetic hypocrite that you are.

Tomi I haven't debated like this because I suspect his English isn't strong enough that he understands all he reads here. Woodeye and I don't see eye to eye on some of this, but he has proven to be worthy of debate for he uses logical thought to put forth his argument. No I dug up these little gems of yours Eki because you are pathetic, pathologically devoted, and utterly out to lunch.

You have for the better part of a week defended Saddam's right to abuse his own nation. You have defended the Arab world's right to attack Israel. You have defended by omission just about every other dictatorial thug I have brought up and challenged you to refute.

You claim to be a man of peace, yet you condone so much suffering to people you don't like. You claim to be against capital punishment, but I suspect you would cheer if someone hung George W. Bush. You claim to want justice, but then in one post you felt the Kurds deserved to be gassed because they stood up to Saddam. If they had not, they would be OK.

You claim diplomacy is always the answer and war is never necessary but your own nation fought off an larger nation for its survival not once but twice, and when it didn't get part of its land back, thought that was ok, but cant see why the Palestinians should be happy with only 90% of what THEY wanted. You figure they should have it all.

You say you understand history, but then you feel the Jews never were in Israel. Now you are straying into a dangerous land Eki. I wont debate a holocaust denier. I wont waste my time. You are as dogmatic and foolish as anyone I have met. In the last week, I have I think put your words in context. You obviously are mentally in some sort of fantasy land and I refuse to participate. I have to get back to my life and work, and You will continue on, impressing no one, maybe save Tomi.

I have received over 5 different private messages from posters over this thread, all of it backing me up. I have received compliments from others on the thread, backing me up. Eki, I gave you a head start for 6 pages before I waded in. To bring up where we started, they hung Saddam Hussein and it still feels like the world is better in my books. You on the other hand have defended him and other evils.

I am done with this thread. Or correction, I am done with you. I am blocking you and I will never overtly mention, debate or care what you say. I will debate Woodeye and others who have brought up points without being ridiculous; I will debate rational people who I may not agree with in the spirit of democracy and debate. You however, are done as far as I am concerned, I wont be wasting no more time and effort with your crap. You can spout off your nonsense all you like.


Life is too short to argue with fools....

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Originally Posted by Eki

Have they done that? And I mean Arab countries, not some organizations like Hamas or Hezbollah.

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Last point, YES Eki, in 1947, 1967, 1973. bye....

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Originally Posted by Gannex

What is now called Israel was never Arab land. Until the First World War, it was part of the Ottoman Empire, and rich absentee landlords owned the land. The Ottomans sided with Germany during the Great War, lost, and in the process lost their Middle Eastern possessions as well. Present-day Israel, Syria and Jordan became British and French possessions, or "mandates", as they were called. Note that neither Jews nor Arabs owned the place, except insofar as individual Jews or Arabs had bought pieces of land. By 1948, the British had given all their land east of the Jordan river to the Hashemites, a favoured Arab elite, and the French gave Syria to Arabs as well. There was just a small piece of land left, and that, it was decided, would be mainly Arab, with a small part reserved for the Jews. Of all the land that the Great Powers turned over to local ethnic groups, more than 99% was given to Arabs, and less than 1% to Jews. But the Arabs could not accept Jews occupying even 1% of the land, and continued in their efforts, which had begun long before the creation of the State of Israel, to wipe the Jews out.

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Take's one with Colonial mindset to say something like that. I'm sure you probasbly think that the Irish have no right to own any land in the Republic because by 1820, most of the land was owned by Absentee English landlords.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

You have for the better part of a week defended Saddam's right to abuse his own nation. You have defended the Arab world's right to attack Israel.

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Come on, I have not defended Arab world's right to attack Israel or Saddam's right to abuse his own people. If I have, show me the posts, you seem to be good at digging up old posts and using them out of context. I have merely questioned Israel's right to oppress its' Arab minority and attack its' neighbors like Lebanon. Likewise, I have questioned the right of the US to attack and invade other countries without a consent from the rest of the world.

You seem to read my posts like the Devil reads the Bible (that means he for example first takes a sentence that says "Judas Iskariot hanged himself" and then another sentence from a different part of Bible that says "you go and do the same").

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Originally Posted by SOD

Take's one with Colonial mindset to say something like that. I'm sure you probasbly think that the Irish have no right to own any land in the Republic because by 1820, most of the land was owned by Absentee English landlords.

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If the Arabs did live there, where are they now? Oh right, check the Israeli census, Arabs DO still live there. Unlike Jews in the rest of the Arab world who were tossed out or killed in pogroms.

The Irish should own their land period. My ancestors are from Ulster and are Protestant, and I still say that. I cant figure out however why the IRA do what they do either. I think the English treated the Irish horribly for hundred's of years, but Ireland is now free, a great example of what happens when you get past years of stupidity and oppression and get on with building a society. It is backward thinking countries in the Middle East that have used their riches on two goals: Oppressing their people, and scheming ways to back the terrorists who would torment Israel in the name of a Palestinian state. They gave up a long time ago trying to beat Israel on the battlefield...

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Last point, YES Eki, in 1947, 1967, 1973. bye....

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At least in 1967, it seems Israel launched a "pre-emptive" attack against
Egypt. Hmmm. "pre-emptive", where have I heard that word recently?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6-Day_War

"When Egypt expelled the United Nations Emergency Force from the Sinai Peninsula, increased its military activity near the border, and blockaded the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.[1] Jordan then attacked the Israeli cities of Jerusalem and Netanya."

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Israel doesn't count. Right Eki? You ought to be very careful, the neo-Nazi underground movement in Europe might want to be putting you on the mailing list.

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how do you feel about the recruitment of Nazis by the "Allies" after WW2?

Sorry to go on-topic eki, but I just checked and Saddam is still dead. None of your pandering to dictators has changed that. He's dead and will stay that way.

SOD, they didn't give jobs to Goring, or Eichmann or the top leaders of the Nazi movement. Heck, to avoid a someone who was a Nazi party member in Germany in 1945, you would have to never meet people on the street. There are Nazi's, and then there was NAZI's. Also take note, the cold war mentality was settling in and real politik took over. I wont condone Nazi's in any form, but the fact remains a Nazi party membership came with being an officer in the Luftwaffe, Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarine at that time. It would be as difficult to find competant people in Germany who were not Nazi party members as it would be to find a synagogue in Iran.