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4th October 2007, 06:16
Mark in Oshawa

Sanguin thinks Trans AM is coming back? Man....that is a stretch. That dog is buried my friend....

As for ALMS, I will know when the sched comes out this weekend at Petit, it will be engraved in stone, unlike next years CCWS one.

What happens next? I suspect we are watching the last year of CCWS. I didn't want it to happen, didn't believe it coulc happen, but I think KK has pulled the chute and the boys are trying to cut their losses at this point. I think they never knew what a big job it was going to be. The new car was to be the solution to most of their issues in their eyes, and they were pissed when people found fault with that and other things. Hence the temper tantrum against Miller. Hence the lack of PR honesty or access to KK and the top Amigo's on the affairs of state. First two years of this process, we couldn't turn the tv on without seeing KK. This year, he has all but joined the witness protection program.

No....if it isn't the last year of Champ Car, it will be the last good year of Champ Car unless there is a cash injection and some heads rolling in the marketing and management arm of Champ Car. Nothing less will sell me that they have killed this series.

Oh yes...Trans AM was a great series, and it died under the watch of Paul Gentilozzi, and the management of Steve Johnson. Both of which keep popping up in the headlines of CCWS right now. This does NOT infuse me or anyone with a brain with confidence in the sh ip sailing into calm seas.....
4th October 2007, 06:26
BrentJackson

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

No....if it isn't the last year of Champ Car, it will be the last good year of Champ Car unless there is a cash injection and some heads rolling in the marketing and management arm of Champ Car. Nothing less will sell me that they have killed this series.

Few heads rolling? It's time to sack the entire head office except for the secretaries, and permanently ban Johnson and Gentilozzi from ever even attending a CC event for bringing it into disrepute. And yes, it needs a major cash injection alright. I think in order to make a decent run by the end of 2008, they are looking at $150M+ to do it.
4th October 2007, 15:45
sanguin

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Originally Posted by pits4me

Your research probably didn't include NASCAR's part in all of this. The same way they killed off North American Touring Car Championship after 1997. Its hard to succeed when someone else in leveraging the sponsorships and undermining factory support.

Just ask 5-time champion Paul Gentilozzi, 2000 champ Brian Simo and Joe Huffaker before you try to blame Johnson or anyone else. You are way off base.

well put, trans-am is totally different in that it was run on manufacturer support, CC is not.
4th October 2007, 15:50
sanguin

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Originally Posted by BrentJackson

And yes, it needs a major cash injection alright. I think in order to make a decent run by the end of 2008, they are looking at $150M+ to do it.

Since another series is doing that next year, I think CC just needs to sit back and watch how that plan works out. Cash outlay like that is not sustainable in long run and we will be able to wait and watch if anything improves with this cash incentive. I don't think it will.
4th October 2007, 16:39
heelntoe

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Since another series is doing that next year, I think CC just needs to sit back and watch how that plan works out. Cash outlay like that is not sustainable in long run and we will be able to wait and watch if anything improves with this cash incentive. I don't think it will.

Sorry, but without committing serious money and REAL SOON, Champ Car is over.IMO
4th October 2007, 16:53
sanguin

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Originally Posted by heelntoe

Sorry, but without committing serious money and REAL SOON, Champ Car is over.IMO

In your opinion.

CC can wait to see how the cash outlay works for the other series.That will be very telling. I don't think CC has anything to worry about. IMO
4th October 2007, 17:06
heelntoe

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Originally Posted by sanguin

In your opinion.

CC can wait to see how the cash outlay works for the other series.That will be very telling. I don't think CC has anything to worry about. IMO

CC Cannot wait another year...it can't wait another 60 days without proving to its teams, sponsors and venues that it has the money to do so.
4th October 2007, 17:29
sanguin

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Originally Posted by heelntoe

CC Cannot wait another year...it can't wait another 60 days without proving to its teams, sponsors and venues that it has the money to do so.

60 days now? hmm, guess we'll just wait and see how right you are. ;)

See you 2008!

:)
4th October 2007, 18:01
gofastandwynn

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Cash outlay like that is not sustainable in long run

Oh yea, I keep on hearing how the NFL and F1 are going to go under any minute now...
4th October 2007, 20:24
BrentJackson

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Since another series is doing that next year, I think CC just needs to sit back and watch how that plan works out. Cash outlay like that is not sustainable in long run and we will be able to wait and watch if anything improves with this cash incentive. I don't think it will.

They sit back right now and they are DONE, sanguin. They don't need to sit back. They need to match TG, dollar for dollar. That will hurt like heck for sure in the short term, but they won't have a long term otherwise.

It's been time to get go big for four years. Get going, guys.

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