Wrc Rally Argentina 2011

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

P.S.: it would be very interesting to give Loeb to put into Ford team...

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But you can give McRae a Skoda and see where it goes! Loeb a Fiesta he will do well in. It's not the car it's Loeb! ;)

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Originally Posted by dimviii

but we have to accept the ''facts''

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So, accept please, that Hirvonen is the second so far and 13 point behind Loeb only. Where are Ogier and Latvala?

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

But you can give McRae a Skoda and see where it goes!

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What do you mean?

So what do you want to see then, Dimviii? A championship with only one on the startline? Mr Loeb?

No one else should bather?

Come on! This is a championship a we have an outstanding driver, yes, but still we have at least 5 or six driver capable of winning every race depending on what happens to cars etz.

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

So, accept please, that Hirvonen is the second so far and 13 point behind Loeb only. Where are Ogier and Latvala?

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of course i accept that is second.Will you accept that he is not going to be champion?
To be fair is second cause of others problems,and not in terms of speed.In terms of speed is the slowest among the 4 works drivers.This is a fact too.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

So what do you want to see then, Dimviii? A championship with only one on the startline? Mr Loeb?

No one else should bather?

Come on! This is a championship a we have an outstanding driver, yes, but still we have at least 5 or six driver capable of winning every race depending on what happens to cars etz.

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i am afraid that you didnt undertant me.Of course i dont want to see only one man show,i am not crazy!
But i can t listen easy conclusions for Loeb even for Mikko.
I genuinly would like Mikko could manage more than now.A 4 way battle would be marvellous for all.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

of course i accept that is second.Will you accept that he is not going to be champion?
To be fair is second cause of others problems,and not in terms of speed.In terms of speed is the slowest among the 4 works drivers.This is a fact too.

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As for championship we will see at the end of year. The fastest != the first. As I said a lot of factors affect rally.
To cut from himself one second is very difficult. Because 1.0 second - you are first, 1.1 sec - crash.

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Originally Posted by sbrytskyy

As for championship we will see at the end of year. The fastest != the first. As I said a lot of factors affect rally.
To cut from himself one second is very difficult. Because 1.0 second - you are first, 1.1 sec - crash.

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OK lets wait till last championship ss, to see who is right.

Loeb and ctiroen (against only one manufacturer) is a winning formula, it has been for many years. I'd have loads more respect for him if he left the sport he conquered, and joined F1. But(I think) he was frightened of being beaten. So he stays in a motorsport that he knows he can win.

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

According to MTV3.fi, Rally Argentina's jury is talking about the Citroen drivers' making a shortcut on Friday's SS7. Loeb, Ogier and Solberg drove one part of the stage differently than it was marked in the roadbook and thus gained few seconds advantage. As far as I understand it was in the tarmac section where they went past a circle junction from different side than it was marked. Any news about this among forum members?

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I can tell you that Morrie Chandler himself is the Chairman of the stewards in Argentina (Patric Suberville and Carlos Garcia Remohi are the other stewards).

And for similar thing (not following the road book), Nasser got 5 minute penalty in Greece in 2006.
It was Article 8.1.1. Basically he went straight in one place, he decided not to reverse and continue slowly (was afraid of car behind in the dust) until back on the road.


It probably happened between split 6 and 7:
http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rall...mes/?stageno=7 Suddenly Ogier, Loeb and Solberg were faster than Latvala (they were slower before and slower after - except Loeb who was little bit faster later as well)

I have seen such things happening in Germany and in many other places, without penalty, so. consistency on that point is not clear.

Edit: Ok, bit from the current rules:
14.2 ROAD BOOK
All the crews will receive a road book containing a detailed description of the itinerary. This itinerary and
the road direction diagrams must be followed. Any deviation will be reported to the stewards.