Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

At the end of the day, if you think this is fair then nothing will change your mind because you are biased against McLaren. It's a farce.

Still no point debating it because this isn't a discussion on what is right and fair but about fans that want their team to win by fair means or foul.

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Stop telling people what they are thinking and saying!!!!!! It's RUDE and you keep on doing it. People have come out and said why they think Lewis was penalised and that they agree with it and you should accept that this is their opinion. Just as I accept that people feel he shouldn't have been penalised. If you can't keep to the discussion you simply resort to calling people biased and so on and on. It's not cool and you just make yourself look silly. You've had your say numerous times and we all know what you think so unless you have something new and useful to add to the discussion.....

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Drivers have always used the outside line after the first corner in Spa and for some reason the FIA has always allowed it to happen.

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If by always you mean last year, then yes. Spa didn't have runoff area on the exit of La Source until 2007.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Stop telling people what they are thinking and saying!!!!!! It's RUDE and you keep on doing it. People have come out and said why they think Lewis was penalised and that they agree with it and you should accept that this is their opinion. Just as I accept that people feel he shouldn't have been penalised. If you can't keep to the discussion you simply resort to calling people biased and so on and on. It's not cool and you just make yourself look silly. You've had your say numerous times and we all know what you think so unless you have something new and useful to add to the discussion.....

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well I added something new and so far none of the people that where pro Lewis penalty gave me there thoughts about this case..other than telling me Fia allows drivers to leave the track on one part of the track and punish drivers when they do it on other parts....

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

well I added something new and so far none of the people that where pro Lewis penalty gave me there thoughts about this case..other than telling me Fia allows drivers to leave the track on one part of the track and punish drivers when they do it on other parts....

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You talk about altering the grip of the track. I don't quite get your point. Do remember that a lot of us are work so can't reply straigt away :)

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

well I added something new and so far none of the people that where pro Lewis penalty gave me there thoughts about this case..other than telling me Fia allows drivers to leave the track on one part of the track and punish drivers when they do it on other parts....

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I think that leaving the track is a slightly different thing to leaving the track AND gaining an advantage. What penalties are stipulated for just leaving the track, never mind gaining advantage?

Perhaps, since cutting a chicane is a faster way of getting through the corner, they considered Lewis to be getting an advantage there. It seems that the FIA does not consider it advantageous to use the runoff at the outsides of corners like La Source and Pouhon.

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

I think that leaving the track is a slightly different thing to leaving the track AND gaining an advantage. What penalties are stipulated for just leaving the track, never mind gaining advantage?

Perhaps, since cutting a chicane is a faster way of getting through the corner, they considered Lewis to be getting an advantage there. It seems that the FIA does not consider it advantageous to use the runoff at the outsides of corners like La Source and Pouhon.

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You've hit the nail right on the head.

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

I think that leaving the track is a slightly different thing to leaving the track AND gaining an advantage. What penalties are stipulated for just leaving the track, never mind gaining advantage?

Perhaps, since cutting a chicane is a faster way of getting through the corner, they considered Lewis to be getting an advantage there. It seems that the FIA does not consider it advantageous to use the runoff at the outsides of corners like La Source and Pouhon.

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Have we been watching the same first corner there ? I can't believe you are saying Kimi NOT took any advantage of using the runoff...He got a way better momentum by doin so than Massa..overtaking him soon after..No advantage ? come onnnnnnnnnnnn ;-)

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

Have we been watching the same first corner there ? I can't believe you are saying Kimi NOT took any advantage of using the runoff...He got a way better momentum by doin so than Massa..overtaking him soon after..No advantage ? come onnnnnnnnnnnn ;-)

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If this were the case would McLaren not be bringing this to the stewards attention? :)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

If this were the case would McLaren not be bringing this to the stewards attention? :)

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Is it the task of a team to do so ? did anyone brought the Lewis incident to the Stewards attention ?..at least ferrari denied they "officialy" complained about it...

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Perhaps that's what Kimi expected him to do, which might explain why he didn't really defend at La Source allowing Hamilton to make a great move on the brakes.

I do think that Kimi's poor defence at La Source, and Hamilton's ability on the brakes, contributed to there being a penalty awarded against Hamilton. Had the McLaren not got through at the hairpin then there may have been no penalty at all IMHO.

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Nail hit squarely on the head , Arrows , my friend .