Poor Ralfie - nobody loves him anymore!! :(
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Poor Ralfie - nobody loves him anymore!! :(
You like to support the underdog, why not join the Ralf fan base?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Not support top drivers and neither the crane ;)
Words fail me. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
There's a first .Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
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Originally Posted by Bagwan
I see what you mean, but surely it is safer to be in your car until you know it's safe enough to get out of it - as we all know, there were cars going off all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Don't forget that an F1 car has amazing crash protection built into it. Why move from a place of protection simply to get to another place of crash protection, risking (another) injury in the process? If he was going to be getting out in that situation with cars flying past, it would've been better to wait until the safety car or the red flag came out.
I think that I remember Martin Brundle commenting when Ralf got out of his car that he wouldn't've done it that soon, or something like that, just on the off chance that another car could crash off into that same place. Then again, that's not a direct quote, so take it as you will.
Would one person count as a fan base? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Those cars should hit the crane first before our car, so going out of it wouldn't be too bad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicpanda
K!!, lets look at this from a management perspective. First of all, we have the on site Marshalls, and it is they who will control the operation. If there are cars likely to come off, then OK, let the drivers remain in their cars with the engines switched off, until such time as the Marshalls have information that the race has been red flagged, cars have been instructed to slow right down to a crawl, and they can then make their way out to the cars in a safe manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicpanda
In this particular case, the Marshalls were out there when cars were still coming off left, right and centre, and to make it less safe, a crane was mobilised to move the McLaren back onto the track? I am not sure which drivers were told to depart from their cars, by whom, nor when. As it turned out, one of the cars even hit the crane.
AND I am satisfied that the entire operation was carried out in a less than safe manner. I would go as far as to say that the safety of the Marshalls were put at risk.
I agree with everything you have written. The funny thing is that no official word has come from the FIA on this. Maybe they can only handle one thing at a time???? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
It just goes to show the FIA doesn't give a shyte what I say. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
At least you're in good company - they feel the same about millions of F1 fans!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Sometimes I think is quite the opposite. They often bypass justice for the good of the fans alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
(Money's another matter, but you get the picture)
I would agree with you there. But is it just me, or do the drivers tend to decide when they get out of the car themselves? I remember Mark Webber in the Williams last year at the Hungaroring radioing the team from the car while suspended from a crane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
That was Nico. Why wasn't he put back on track?? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicpanda
^The car was busted.
Autosport are reporting today that the FIA have decided to ban the practice of using the tractor to get a vehicle out of the kitty litter. It seems that their main worry is that it could open up the way to marshels showing favouritism to certain drivers when their is more than one car in the gravel, also, their is the fact that its turning it into a bit of a Playstation game, you go off and get someone to put you back on the track. However, a car in a dangerous position that can still be pushed back onto the track easily (like what happened to Michael Schumacker in '03) will still be allowed.
Wow, I'm glad they clarified the situation and used some common sense in their decision. Chalk up one point for the FIA!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper
I think that any procedure that will be worked out should be primarily on safety grounds and the favouritism will only be secondary to the safety considerations.
That's a progress we would see they amend to regulation banning tractor taken into action for in accident drivers continue the race.
However tractor is needed if they have made it clear not to continue the race, as carrying that way is the most convenience to spoil the kitty
Can't be bothered to read all the posts (sorry :) ) , but Hamilton stayed in his car kept the engine running so there's nothing stopping him continuing. He did lose a lap in the gravel but a BMW pitted when the race restarted putting himself behind Hamilton. As Hamilton was between two drivers on the lead lap he was allowed to overtake the field and the safety car, to get out of the way.
Try reading all the posts - it's all been covered and the FIA have instructed the court marshals on the correct procedures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeall
[quote="Sleeper"]^The car was busted.
Autosport are reporting today that the FIA have decided to ban the practice of using the tractor to get a vehicle out of the kitty litter. It seems that their main worry is that it could open up the way to marshels showing favouritism to certain drivers when their is more than one car in the gravel. QUOTE]
Oh No! Heavens above! We can't have favouritisum! That would never do! That just wouldn't be sporting! Cough, splutter!
Well, its happened before and they dontr want a return to marshaling of the 70's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schnell
I would have thought safety concerns would have been involved, but since the marshals would have been working on clearing the cars from the gravel trap anyway, they'e still at the normal level of risk, whatever that is.
so the FIA have once again contradicted themselves??
If it's already on the sport regulations that the crane will only enter the track once the driver have made clear he/she will not continue.
and now the ban something is already banned?
It's a miracle that you even bothered to post this nonsense then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeall
"At todays drivers briefing all the drivers and team managers complained about LH's car being craned back into the race. It was decreaed that, that would never be allowed to happen again in a race."
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That's because even the FIA can't follow their rules. Maybe the FIA will appeal the FIA's ruling and find themselves guilty, but with no punishment! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jso1985