There is only 2 min gaps in ERC. And still it is a big problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
There is only 2 min gaps in ERC. And still it is a big problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Guys, there was plenty of comments from you here. Maybe now you should add them to the official WRC fan survey? FIA wants to find out what you think of the series:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/fia-a...e-with-survey/
I think this was discussed and linked in another topic. I think most of us has filled it. But I am not sure if it will help to anyone. But should be curious to see theraw data...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Like I said in the other thread, this was not designed to survey opinions. More like a way to say 'fans agree with what we are doing' when they announce/propose any decisions that they already took, which is why many of the questions held a bias. Some questions, eg. on safety, fans are not qualified to answer. If they can't use the survey because the fans disagree, we will never hear the results. Only a fool would think they would take the advice from fans on shaping the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Hey guys, did anyone here joined in a zoom meeting considering the working group/forces they wanted to do after the survey? Curious if anyone here managed to have his say.
Interesting to see what (if any) updates will be shown from these polls.
In other topics, man these cars are fast and pretty much any time there is a crash -> big one. Luckily in Sweden there is these big snowbanks, but honestly the cornering speeds are getting kinda out of control.
This sounds like an extra layer of obligations, which when you have champions exiting the game because of them... hmmm.Quote:
Promotion
In order to leverage promotional opportunities around each event and maximise the WRC’s full potential, the FIA will establish a WRC Promotion Team within the FIA in close collaboration with stakeholders from the WRC Promoter, event organisers and manufacturer teams.
The WRC Promotion Team’s key focus will be to develop a WRC Charter that will define a set of commitments from all stakeholders to promote the WRC to a wider audience against an agreed set of objectives and KPIs.
This coordinated approach will leverage the expertise of each party in order to promote the WRC outside its current fan base as one of the foremost motor sport championships in the world.
KPIs.... lol. Definitely sport!
hmmmmmmmm Interesting point. Now they have to COMPETE and PROMOTE?
I mean, I heard a Msport guy from social media is now with Hyundai, and they had a really great video on youtube after Monte Carlo. DirtFish have also great content in video. We have some decent amount of "content"... The problem would be "how to reach WEC, F1, MotoGP and Nascar fans", IMO. How to TOUCH their little road racing hearts. Cuz these would be target, right? WRC would get nothing by trying to reach Soccer fans... (for example)
Continuation from 'main class 2025' thread for relevancyQuote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
DR says tuners will be able to build the 2027 FIA chassis and attach homologated bodywork from the manufacturers.
That aint happening.
is this a joke? here the results from the survey
https://www.fia.com/news/world-rally...ons-future-wrc
a survey with rally fans. results were: "hardcore rally fans love rally". wow
Well that's currently an issue I reckon; go on website forums such as Autosport, Pistonheads, Ten Tenths for example - and the rallying threads are quiet......the WRC isn't interesting those fans of motorsport. I noticed that during the weekend of the Monte, it was also the Rolex24; there was a stark difference in comments.....hundreds for the Rolex, barely 20 for the Monte.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
Aren't we on motorsportforums right now? I am not even sure if Rolex24 has own thread there while rallying threads are quite noisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
There is a lot of potential WRC fans among current F1/WEC fans but accessibility needs to be improved. WRC makes some good steps towards it and some bad ones.
And of course could do better, if Rallye Monte Carlo would be free on youtube during F1/WEC offseason, it could be nice "bait" for new fans but it obviously makes problems with current tv deals.
From other hand, reason why long 26-minute highlights are on relatively unknown redbull.tv site instead of official WRC youtube channel is really weird.
Rally games becaming better and better is also good thing, EA Sports WRC is quite okayish and have potential to grow rally fanbase.
Bit difficult to sell to TV broadcasters around the world when you give it away for free on the world's biggest internet video service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backa
To some extent, sure. Still, you give it for free already and majority of people that are already engaged rally fans seems to be aware of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Going from redbull.tv to youtube would be more about gaining new fans. Some of those people could later decide those highlights aren't enough and subscribe to rally.tv like I did last year or pay for Motowizja or other tv deal.
There is golden mean somewhere between providing level of accessibility that makes people interested and reaping the fruits from having fanbase. I doubt current state is that golden mean.
WRC WORKING GROUP CHIEF: I DON’T UNDERSTAND NEW POINTS SYSTEM
DAVID RICHARDS GAVE A BLUNT APPRAISAL OF HOW POINTS ARE CURRENTLY ALLOCATED IN THE SERIES
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-w...points-system/
”You know, the reason football is so popular is because you kick a ball backwards and forwards and you score the points for every time you get a ball in the goal. And if we can think of a simple points system for the World Rally Championship, it’d be far better for us.”Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
The old football analogy that doesn't work. No league I know scores points on goals. You can score 5 and get 0 points, or score 0 and get 1 point.
Football leagues gave 3 points for win but only 1 for ties, which is quite similar idea to reducing cruising.
Seems like Richards don't know football points systems too.
It's 2024, TV broadcasters wants to purchase live content and not highlights to be broadcasted at 11pm CET.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
If you can explain why in the UK a 52 minutes highlights show is on the commercial channel ITV4 a week on Wednesday later, a channel which doesn't show the live stages, while Youtube has 2 minute clips; then I'll change my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by typhoon
But thats the problem, it isn't on YouTube. I'd take an uneducated guess and say reach would triple if it was on the official WRC channel on YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
This is up to the WRC Promoter adjust the price tag for what it offers to broadcasters. On the other side, Broadcasters weights the budget they can gather from advertisers and take their choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Now: if WRC Promoter discounts the highlights, more free to air (FTA) broadcasters would be interested in getting those highlights, since they can return on their investments and offer new contents to their viewers based on their target audience.
RAI (Italian BBC) and private SportItalia respectively ditched WRC and WRX once those rights became too expensive for their budgets. Those two networks had a combined audience of almost 700k viewers and about 4% share. Which for a "minor" sport like WRC would be gold now!
It would be very useful, for next 2025 season, to arrange those contracts in a way they will be able to freely distribute 8-10 minutes videos on official WRC YouTube channel.
Time for the WRC Promoter to take bold decisions eventually.
https://www.raiplay.it/programmi/rally seems to be up to date.
I'm willing to bet the EBU has a finger in it. Whatever, the point is the promotor doesn't see need to change, there's no lack of ability or desire that they don't change anything. I don't doubt YouTube could grow the eyeballs but it's 19 years old, the disruptive days are long gone. if there was to be a flip point for wrc it would have happened by now.
Most likely it wasn't just about getting to expensive but also not producing not enough ratings. TV is all about ratings and advertising money that you can get for those ratings.Quote:
Originally Posted by typhoon
Both were above their daily average ratings on the same timeslots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
RAI, for example, during Rally Sardinia got 200k more viewers (in a channel that gets about 400k on average) on all stages broadcasted, Sunday's Powerstage included (competing with Serie A's football match for the Asian markets at 12.30 CET!!).
It's all about price, not ratings for sure. At least in Italy, elsewhere I don't know.
But again, if you got cheaper rights that can cope with those ratings, you're good to go and you get a profit for it. It's not rocket science.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/n...orms/10587844/
So, the brains trust of the FIA thought it would be a good idea to have a bunch of old men who are disconnected to the sport come up with new regulations without consultation with actual stakeholders?
And they're possibly going to push teams out?
Well, isn't this just perfectly symbolic for this total disaster of an FIA administration.....
The WRC Commission maybe not decides but give inputs, is having some younger former actives, and not only men. Pernilla Solberg is one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
The WRC Commission is not the Working Group.
I know that. But they are set to give inputs.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I have a feeling the Solbergs were there pushing for the WRC Kit for Rally2.
Or who else?
Who knows. You mean they do it for own purpose? I donīt think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I dont think so. In reality, I dont know who was pushing for Rally2 Kit. I didnt found anyone from "insiders" who really likes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
I have been wondering about this idea of sort-of-merging WRC1/2 by nerfing/buffing the cars, and how it will play out on cleaning rallies.
In Sweden, we had a WRC2 stage win thanks to massive cleaning. I thought it was a cool story once, but it would be a bit silly if it happened all the time. Somebody mentioned the Janner rally, where they sometimes get massive cleaning and guys starting an hour or two back in Evos get stage wins. Will we get much more of this if we close/eliminate the gap between WRC1/2?
I'm thinking of Sordo's wins in Sardinia, which I think he mostly owed to road position. Could we see somebody like Gus Greensmith or Marco Bulacia getting overall podiums in a WRC2+ because it's their first rally of the year and they started 30th on the road?
And if so, would it be a good thing?
A short interview on local radio with Pernilla. Doesn't really say anything except that her mission officially starts on 1 April.
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/ska...andra-rally-vm
the best suggestion i read still something like:
- hybrid/electric/hydrogen rally2 car for manufacturer teams
- current regular rally2 car for privateer and costumer teams
if Lancia wants to sell rally2 car for privateers all over the world, they can! if they want to run as a manufacturer, get a kit. that way toyota could develop their hydrogen yaris, that would be cool. ralliart is racing hybrids, maybe they could come back too. hyundai and renault have electric projects? bring it.
oh, there b.o.p. for sure
What does that mean? Any examples?Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
im not the best with these technical stuff, ok? but my thought would be manufacturer teams would have to build a 'rally2' car with: hybrid engines OR totally electric OR one that runs on hydrogen on the same "specs" (like max power to weight ratio) as a regular rally2 ("4.2kg/hp" / 1230kg / 1620cc). it would be heavier, of course, so then you have a little bit more power to compensate. i dont know how the b.o.p. would have to be implemented, but im sure people with more knoweledge could help. that way, for example, Hyundai could run their hybrid KONA on the factory team, but it would be "on the same level" as privateers running i20 rally2 cars. i mean, of course it would not be exactly the same since manufacturer teams spend more so they are normally faster, but that way we could have room for manufacturer and privateer/costumer teams on the top class, since the "specs" would be more similar. they can even run their IONIQ 5N with electric power as long as the power to weight ratio is similar to current rally2 cars (again, im not sure how that works on b.o.p., but im sure is doable).Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
does that sound ok? of course rally2s are not as fast as rally1, and its NOT going to be a "rally2+" thing, its just rally2 cars, but manufacturers gotta run hybrid engines, or full electric or on hydrogen (like toyota already showed, tho that looked more like a rally3 machinery)
i know its easy to say this from my couch here, but when manufacturers want to move on to new models, they could have a "racing division" to sell their "next" rally2 cars with regular engines and synth fuel to privateers, like skoda and msport does. Hyundai could have a Kona with regular engine and synth fuel competing all over the world in the rally2 class, because its just for competition. maybe?
Cool, I think this is best way. For some it seems as simple as bodyshell car = Rally2 and prototype = Rally1, and the FIA are proposing evolutions of these as equals which makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
I agree with you generally on opening up, I think. It's whether WRC should be a testing ground or a proving ground, and right now... are there competition ready cars? No. Do manufacturers use motorsport to develop their road going tech, no - and it's probably illegal to advertise, which is a big problem, beyond the control of the working group. On that, will we ever see a 'Group A/N' WRC car again? Probably not. Thus why the FIA are doing R&D in hydrogen and EV.
You got it when you said the manufacturers don't want to be same league as everybody else. I don't think the current protest is much that they care for hybrid, they just don't want to be challenged.
never watched this sport but for 2024 they are posting these great 25 min highlights and ALL THE TIME all i could think was "they did a waay better job than wrc on these highlights". like, presentating the sport. at least in my opinion. sharing here just for the thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr-gs2T9Dgs
obviously i know that this is a different sport, but hey. super special stages, 'rally stages' in the 'middle of the forest' where fans gotta go to those place to watch the action. racing against the clock. not thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat distant from rallying
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ogier...tem-is-a-joke/
Ogier seems to agree with us.
Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
In ralying you can't compensate weight with power. It's not drag racing. Heavy cars are slow in corners.
Fully electric COMPETITIVE rally car is impossible at 2024 tech level. You would need something like 400-500 kg of batteries to finish one section. Such car would be slow as hell especially if based on stock bodyshell (the electric "R5" in Austria had some 300 kg battery pack from Formula-E, it was slower than regular Rally2 cars and still not capable to finish a common WRC section distance).
Stock bodyshells of the small cars are generally not well suitable for making them into hybrid or EV. That's one of the reasons why we have spaceframe prototypes. For example if you use stock bodyshells you need different battery pack for every car unless it's very small battery (size, available space, shape of the floor etc.). Generally stock bodyshells for WRC/Rally1 level bring a lot of troubles. They make sense for Rally2 because the production numbers are much greater. For Rally1 the spaceframe prototypes are absolutely the right way to go especially taking into account the future possibility of private teams to homologate their own cars (and that is a must for the sport to survive).
The only way how to make an EV car competitive in WRC is the same way as in Dakar - serial hybrid. Again pretty much unsuitable for far majority of stock bodyshells which weren't designed with that in mind.
IMHO In the forseenable future WRC will go with synthetic fuels or hydrogen but not with EV.