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first fiesta for RedGrey?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
if it's new, it doesn't have the updated mirror...oddQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
RedGrey has one Fiesta rally2 itself also.. so most likely that's the same not new..
According to my sources RedGrey have sold or on the process of selling all of their Hyundais.
Edited original post to be more precise
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Who is going to run Suninen in WRC2 this year then?
If true then it should be quite recent as in Betsafe podcast half month ago Tänak told that they have kept Hyundai R5 cars and he hoped to have more involvement in their development.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Because imo it is better to have an ok budget, complete a full season, and maybe win a championship at WRC level, than to start a season where you in the beginning start off with a bang and a hope of success with crowdfunding.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
He has the potential to win in WRC3, and not in this years WRC2, the competition is too high in 23.
Yes, I fear that Ingram will be resigned to having to try to put a positive spin on things by constantly referring to 'being one of the quickest in the old car' in his statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Kind of like how he was able throughout last year to say he was only really competing for WRC2 Junior, while often getting beaten at that too.....
First - don't take everything 100% seriously what Tänak says in interviews. Continuing with Hyundai was never the planQuote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
But yes, quite recent sales, one of the cars went to Finland to Riku Tahko
https://twitter.com/RallitFi/status/...sy29RDJkA&s=19
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ewrc-results still lists them with two Hyundai Rally2's. But yeah, if it's very recent, not added yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
https://www.ewrc-results.com/owner/1446-redgrey-team/
I meant how would winning WRC3 give him a better budget in 2024. IMO he'd be back here in this same pickle again next year. Not like they carry a pot of cash to carry over to next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I'm sad to say I wish WRC3 was a lot stronger, right now it is meaningless. There's no WRC level about it.
Normally being a world champion makes it easier to get new sponsors. Even if it is the third layer carclass, the words world champion opens doors.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Well being European champions haven't helped him in this matter
It's not a world championship so they wouldn't be world champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
And they'd still have to explain to these potential sponsors how they became WRC3 champions, and it's because they beat 3 other crews over 4 rallies. Not good enough.
It's JWRC, it's winner will be junior's WORLD champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Ok, so what is it then?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
actually there's 9 jwrc entry and rumored entry for wrc3 is around 15 cars...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Junior WRC's champion. Not been a Junior World Rally Champion since 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
It's WRC3! And it's joined by WRC2 and Junior WRC. As the book says, WRC2 and WRC3 are support championships of the World Rally Championship. Junior WRC is another FIA championship altogether which is subject to some of the rules of the World Rally Championship, and it even has a different promotor than the World Rally Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
There is currently a discussion on wikipedia about the naming of the articles there and the point is made that they cannot be world championships and so are just named with 'WRC' branding, where WRC doesn't necessarily stand for anything because it's never defined.
One supporting visual piece: https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/...2b_445x603.png
Formula 2 isn't a world championship either and AFAIK there are no non-top-tier world championships.
What's the 9x JWRC got to do with WRC3?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
same class, so actually they can run for both...and most of them usually do...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
What are you on mate..?
What does WRC stand for?
Let me help you - World Rally Championship
There are FIM Moto2 WORLD champions.
There are MX2 motocross WORLD champions.
And
There are WRC2 - WORLD championship 2 winners
There are JWRC - Junior WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP winners
Cut the crap.
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From FIA website:
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Titles up for grabs
FIA World Rally Championship for Drivers
FIA World Rally Championship for Co-Drivers
FIA World Rally Championship for Manufacturers
FIA World Rally Championship for Teams
FIA WRC2 Championship for Drivers
FIA WRC2 Championship for Co-Drivers
FIA WRC2 Challenger Championship for Drivers
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FIA Junior WRC Championship for Drivers
FIA Junior WRC Championship for Co-Drivers
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So in your opinion, it's FIA Junior World Rally Championship Championship?
You cannot compare it with Moto2 or MX2 as it's totally different government body. But you can compare it with other support championship by FIA.
So you have:
FIA Hypercar World Endurance Drivers’ Championship x FIA Endurance Trophy for LMP2 Drivers
FIA Formula One World Championship x FIA Formula 2 Championship
FIA World Rallycross Championship x FIA RX2e Championship
See? Only Kalle Rovanperä is WORLD Rally Champion, meanwhile Emil Lindholm is WRC2 Champion... Also FIA is well known for that they don't really gives world championship status easily. For like 7 years Formula E was not WORLD championship, same for rally raid.
All I did was present an idea in context of an on-topic discussion point. Just because you use uppercase doesn't make your points any more valid or valuable then mine. No need to be so curt, cut the cut the crap crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Kenneth, probably opening a can of worms with this so best moving it to a new thread if it's to be discussed further.
I don't think anyone is saying that there cannot or shouldn't be Junior world champion. But there isn't Junior world champion, only Junior WRC Champion.
Sure, there could be debate if there is even need for junior world champion in rally or any other motorsport (except karting or kart-cross ofc). In traditional sports, junior championships are here because of physical abilities of people younger than about 20. In rally it's more about experiences.
But in term on this discusion: it doesn't really matter if someone is Junior World Rally Champion or Junior WRC Champion. It only matters on paper.
Good for the competition!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Is the Polo still updated?
There was an interview about 2 weeks ago with hungarian Polo driver Frigyes Turán, he said there's supposed to be some updates for the car this spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
THE WRC2 DRIVER REFUSING TO GIVE UP....
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-w...SpmXd5Xr3oPa7c
Please help if you can:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/chris-ing...f74852276f542d
2C competition takes over the Hyundai rally2 program https://motorsport.hyundai.com/title-target-in-wrc2/
And here I've been telling my mates that the "official Hyundai Rally2 team" will come to the first round of the Norwegian Rally Championship. Oh well, there will be a RedGrey Hyundai and a RedGrey Ford there at least!Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Is it Munster on the right? Does he compete both in WRC2 and WRC3?
mostly WRC2. Sweden only in JWRC. Maybe Rally1 at the end of the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
OK, so WRC2, WRC3 and then WRC1. Some people are lucky ;)
Solberg took 10 stagewins in Monte, and got to know the new car.
Lets see what he can do in Sweden where points are counted for him.
Interesting to see how Oliver is able to keep the pace of Lindholm, Suninen, Pajari & Huttunen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
In terms of car, the level of this new Skoda RS is frightening: Gryazin looked in control all over the rally with after the puncture, the Toksport bunch did regularly 1-2 in the class (or sometimes 3 in top 4), they won all the stages, ... And on a pure tarmac rally with no snow/ice where the other cars are quite efficient normally.
I think it could close definitively the game where the Skoda Rally2 evo, the Citroen and the Polo were quite close last year.
The Hyundai confirms to be interesting on tarmac (and Suninen did some good time on gravel last year) but I’m not sure they can catch the Skoda; last hope would be Toyota but not before 1 year.
And the level of the Fiesta is really worrying on the other side: 5 and 9 with Fourmaux and Munster who are quite good in Monte...
And I seriously think Fourmaux did a good rally (3rd on Saturday).
Let’s see Virves in Sweden and the rest of the season but it could the very last year of this car at the international level (except the JWRC winner as long as M-Sport has the contract).