Can this road be found on google maps?Quote:
Originally Posted by philippebugalski
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Can this road be found on google maps?Quote:
Originally Posted by philippebugalski
The most infuriating and sad thing is that it's one in a million chance... you could crash out of that corner at that speed countless times and escape unhurt. Life was so unfair with Craig.
About objects penetrating into cars, I don't know if you can technically do something in the case of guard rails slicing through the car, like what happened to Kubica in 2011 and of course Craig and Jaffa in 2012. But if the objects goes through the windshield, what can you do? Here there is an onboard of Robert Zitta at Janner Rallye 2012 (he was unhurt) to give an idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50lOpMTvRhY
You can change the materials the windows are made from, certainly for the side windows.
That's the main thing that could be considered.
Very sad! I would say, the fate - probability that particular piece of wood under particular angle would penetrate the front window could be counted as 1 of 1 million or even smaller. Few cm here and there and outcome could have been different. This is smth from McRae and heli-crash, Schumacher and hitting that stone and some more similar cases. I know the case where the rally driver was killed, when car rolling in to the field hit a piece of old concrete exactly with window opening between the rollcage tubes - the same rate of probability as Craigs, but it somehow just happened. This danger is a part of risks taken in rally.
another 1 in a million crash when wood penetrates rally car https://youtu.be/lLZtTl9ZODQ?t=33
this time lucky, and as someone here mentioned ' danger is a part of risks taken in rally.'....
Rest in peace Craig Breen... Gone too soon and we will miss you!
And another example, from Poland, a few years ago (at 1:00):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kfm-83c5NE
Not a good watch these videos with the cockpit penetration. So lucky that these didn’t end the same way as the Breen crash.
there are definately stronger materials available than they use now.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7kym3FJOg4
46°09'21.5"N 16°03'53.9"E
https://goo.gl/maps/w7g24c18MXn8kFeT9
This thread turned into an autism competition really fast... from covering every tree and pole with hayballs and protective stuff to using jet materials for car windows... maybe we can put lifeguards on every lake in finland as well so we can avoid drownings... and why not bulletproof armour around the car... kubica would be absolutely fine in an armoured vehicle....
i really would like to hear the opinions of safety autists on the TT... lol
Poor Craig.... its a pity that your demise due to sheer bad luck turned into a "who is the biggest retard" competition among rally fans....
For sure he was extremely unlucky.
I mentioned it previously and I still believe it.
But, since you already found 2 other cases that a wooden pole penetrated the windshield in the last decade (fortunately not fatal).
Maybe it is not so rare in order to ignore it and not to take it into consideration for possible safety measurements.
I am not suggesting a solution, there are so many clever people around motorsport to find something innovative.
I find this post completely unacceptable especially given the circumstances. You are calling forum members "autists" and "retard". Maybe you should go away again. I've reported this post. Frankly you are disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
He may not have won a WRC event, although he came close with several podiums. But he had victories in ERC and many national events.
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well given the things mentioned in here a lot of them qualify for both titles...Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
On twitter there were mentions of some type of plastic they use in NASCAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
For side windows it should be quite simple, front one might be more difficult.
Changing the material of the windows has zero impact on the sport itself, unlike for example HANS had.
Major accident happens... Car is on fire and the doors are blocked.. driver tries to break the space tech window... Fails...
Lets ban motorsport all together... Safest option
this does not look like the place at all on google maps... did they put that fence there the last 3 years ?Quote:
Originally Posted by matija_1988
According to Croatian media the fence is only there for a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
I normally pipe up when you start banding the autism stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
However, I do agree with your basic comments, just a pity you have to embellish them with your usual nonsense. I was going to mention the TT. People die every year, but all competitors know the consequence.
Even one Irish family has lost many people through road racing but still continue because it is in their blood. I was also going to mention how far a car can travel once it’s left the road so where do you stop when trying to bubble wrap every potential hazard.
And it’s all very well using some form of impenetrable material for windows but then what happens when a crew is trapped inside a burning vehicle and emergency crews can’t get in to save them?
everything I say is always correct... none can match my logical thinking when it comes to this sport.... it does not matter how i say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
to put it simply... if you disagree with me on rallying matters you are an autistic retard that uses emotion rather than logic... you know who uses emotion rather than logic ? women do.
so stop being women and grow a pair and then i might not use offensive language.
we had people in here that questioned why we did not put protection on every pole to keep everyone safe...
other suggested NASCAR tech like NASCAR has developed materials to stand against pointy objects like poles... NASCAR that uses plastic covers on a tube frame chassis....
and we had the space glass used in f1 as the epitome...
to be honest i must come up with something far more offensive than autism... because you guys elevate stupidity to leves even my intelligence cannot describe...
Craig died in a freak 1 in a million accident... a tragedy... you cannot predict such accidents and you cann do absolutely nothing to make things safer when it comes to things like that...
let Craigs poor soul rest and stop with your brain vomit of how to make motorsport safe from freak accidents... motorsport are dangerous... in the coming years more people will die... spectators drivers co-drivers... accept it and try to minimise logical risks rather that bothering with stupid shit.
The ironic thing about that last post NOT is, and take it from me I am autistic, that people with autism usually have a lack of emotion and generally view things in a more logical way.
We all have the capacity to be offensive if we want. You are quite right, rallying can never be made completely safe, but you really do need to go and have a word with yourself posting some of the comments you have done in this thread, at this time (not that there is ever a good time for some of your comments)
Wow. You know, there’s a time and a place for language and rhetoric like that.
Online forums can be a rough and tumble place, sure. However this, I feel, is just not appropriate.
I don’t think I’m “autistic”. Or an “emotional woman”. I just think that there’s a need, in situations like these, to be tactful and respond in measured terms and not drag a thread into the gutter.
Come on man. Your points are actually valid. However strongly you may feel, just use language that doesn’t alienate people and divide. You’re better than this, I can tell - raise the bar, don’t lower it.
in todays world everyone is autistic... has some kind of mental illness ects ects... everything is a spectrum...Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
The path and the fence along the road as seen in videos wasn't there either in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Thought about the touringcar side window net as well, but I'm not sure, after all they are roadcars that need to navigate traffic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
What impact other than saving lives had the HANS device?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I don't usually mind your act, but ffs, there's a time and a place. Your last few posts aren't doing your cause any good, you're just embarrassing yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
If you must try making out to be some sort of higher intelligence than the rest of the forum, start by learning how to spell basic three letter words. Etcetera is abbreviated etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
So you are on that spectrum too. Please leave this and walk away, it is not the place for your insane rants.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
remember "finnish village team"?Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
you have no clue what you're talking about half the time and you're in no place to talk down to people.
People here are talking about Craig Breen's tragic accident. It is natural to think about ifs and buts, things that could have been done to prevent it. Even if it's too late for Breen, sure there are things that can be made safer for the future. There's a reason there are so many regulations changes for safety in the past decades. And talk about this is perfectly fine.
NOT's laughable insults and self-jerkings are not adding to the discussion in any meaningful way. His act is pitiful and he should be ashamed for sprouting this crap on a thread revolving Breen.
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There are always lessons to be learned when someone loses his life doing his profession. It's up to the FIA and the Safety Commission to find out what these lessons are. Yes, it was probably a "freak accident" as was Martin's in GB 2005. But, that accident helped improved side protection quite a bit and saved a good amount of people. We can hope Breen's passing has a similar effect and helps save some lifes in the future.
yes i remeber a finish village team full of finnish village nobodies that lost a championship to a private team... and once they brought people in apart from the clique of makienen which they kicked out like a worthless stray dog they started winning...Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
as i said i am never wrong...
the main problem is the fact you are having discussions started by retards who question why we cannot wrap forests in bubble wraps... and you consider such discussion capable of being meaningful...Quote:
Originally Posted by Katvala
I never agreed to doing that, but you don't see me lashing out on others pretending that I am some super intellectual individual like you are doing. If you are so wise, you could've given constructive critique. You are driving people away from having discussions here and it's clear that your contributions are heavily disliked because of your attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
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NOT has been banned for next 10 days
Are you serious? If we canīt hear (watch) words from everyone, even if their mental abilities of using words offends in certain ways, this forum will loose itīs function.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Weīve seen a lot of nobrainers here (Not only NOT) using words not even writeable. However they are also rallyfans.
Banning people only fits to dictators and some religions.
Don't confuse free speech with the right to be a fuc*ing cu*t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I really donīt like words like yours either. But you use your freedom and say them as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Well they discribe a certain behavior but they don't randomly insult people and discriminate certain conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper