I think Ford are up on this arrangement, all the risk lies with M-Sport. If they cared about results they'd fully back a Ford team.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I've no doubt the feeling would be mutual.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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I think Ford are up on this arrangement, all the risk lies with M-Sport. If they cared about results they'd fully back a Ford team.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I've no doubt the feeling would be mutual.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Lappi was never an option (he was fixated on a Toyota return), and the door ain't closed yet on Mikkelsen. How is a line up of Breen, Fourmaux, Greensmith as full season drivers with Mikkelsen/Loeb sharing the fourth Puma that bad is beyond me...
Tinted glasses seem to be in fashion when it comes to M-Sport.
What about August's round 9?: https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/7...z-rallye-2022/Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
Ypres has set a June date http://www.rallye-infos.site/le-rall...-mais-la-lerc/
UK will be Republic of Ireland before a world class rally gets organised there.
Doesn't make Germany replacing NZ, but that and Japan are for good intentions anyway.
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2021/wrc...-disintegrate/Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Sorry, Mikkelsen likely won't be there.
Have you already forgotten that M-Sport won the manufacturer title in 2017? And three drivers won rallies with their car that year? And Ogier took two world titles with that car? Next year we'll have new cars and the situation will likely be very equal again, so we could well have three equal teams fighting for the win in every rally. If they had left after 2020, perhaps they wouldn't be coming back now.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I'm totally fine with M-Sport having some gentleman drivers funding the team's survival. And once again, these gentleman drivers don't steal anyone's drives. Right now it seems M-Sport cannot invest in a young driver like they did with Evans and Tänak earlier. And even with them, it wasn't complete investment like Toyota does with Katsuta, I believe both had personal financial backing and for example Elfyn worked in the family business for quite long into his WRC career. These things are never simple or black and white, and we never get to hear the exact details.
And that article where they talk about "development" of the Australian driver like there was actually some results to be achieved...it's just PR talk and some sites allow you to buy that kind of articles where you can "advertise" a driver or team. It's also just business and it makes it possible for us to have awesome rally news for free.
WRC2 is obviously a different story. It seems M-Sport has abandoned the Fiesta Rally2 for now and I don't know how much they are selling them. Maybe now with Brexit, British drivers are more likely to use M-Sport and vice versa?
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Originally Posted by AnttiL
They most definately have'nt abandoned the R2. They have been working on 5 jokers for the car which they hope to be ready for the start of next yr. They are desperate to get this car back on the pace for the huge income it brings.
That's good to hear. Remember that R2 (which is Rally4) is something else than Rally2 (which is R5)Quote:
Originally Posted by cmac
I think that Brexit actually made M-Sport services cheaper for EU customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
OK, good then :) but why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Unfortunately not. Whatever currency change there has been is nowhere near enough to outweigh the fact that it now takes significantly longer to ship things to and from the UK, with additional paperwork (that often causes issues) and cost. Plus, the company's ability to hire from outside the UK is now much harder and more complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
After the referendum results were announced in 2017 the GBP exchange rate crashed and it didn't recover till today but on the other hand there was no such crash after the Brexit actually happened in 2020 (there was a certain loss of value but it was later partially recovered).Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
OK, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Lets face it soon enoigh everyone will forget about it and will shorten it to R1,2,3,4,5.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Those Rs stood for Rallye in the first place, Rallye 3 are now a different class (RC4) than Rally3 so don't intentionally confuse people. Tell them Rally 2 is the old new Super Rally, which isn't the Super 2000-Rallye which R5 was brought in to restart the rules when Super 2000-Rallye were retired. Rally 2 or Super Rally is now Restarting after a Retirement, and Rally2 is a restarted name for R5 (which the term is now retired). Rallye 2, restarted as Rally4, might also be confused with Rally2-Kit which is the restarted name for R4-Kit, which wasn't the R4 before it.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Obviously you all know this but the layman doesn't. People will really thank you if you explain this whilst stage-side.
I am also undecided yet whether they lied from the start or changed their mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Anyway changing their mind is kind of ok. I can understand they won't tell for PR reasons.
What's a bit sickening is how they then PR push Greensmith and similar picks as top drivers. Note that this started as a deliberate PR effort before Greece.
What's even worse is the holy cow attitude displayed by some people. They lie you in the face and you congratulate them for it.
Yes they did extremely well on the start of the 2017 era. So it should outrage real fans that they will start the new era without seemingly having a chance.
M-Sport wanted a title contender, even names were mentioned: Ogier, Tänak, Neuville or Evans. They all either announced quitting or signed early for next year so M-Sport didn't get any of those. Then you are mad at M-Sport for not signing driver X. I don't understand.
I tried to explain this earlier. If you go to the car store to buy a Ferrari, you don't spend your money on a Fiat Uno if that's all they had that day, you save your money until the day Ferraris are available again.
(although hiring Breen defies this logic, but maybe that's now their title contender)
It's just team spirit lifting, and also could even be a part of their contract. They don't want Greensmith to take the money elsewhere. Imagine if they wrote "next up Greece...our drivers won't likely even make the top 5 but hey at least they pay us a decent amount of money!"Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
What are they supposed to do, in your opinion? Say absolutely nothing? Or even openly criticise a driver whose presence basically ensures the team still exists? It’s 2021, everyone is on social media, and I’m sure they’d get a kicking for being negative or silent.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
For all his backing / family money, the man is a human being, one who has paid his dues to be in the position he’s in - whether you like it or not. He isn’t stealing a seat, or limelight from someone else. The hate he gets is vastly disproportionate to what he’s ‘done wrong’ in the eyes of people who just don’t seem to be able to understand the way the world / motorsport actually works.
It is a shame that the amount of money it costs to be competitive in world rallying is so high. What’s outrageous is that the way things are set up has left us with only two ‘full’ manufacturer efforts, and little prospect of enticing any others to join in.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - the fact M-Sport are even willing to try should be praised. Any good results they earn are, in the face of the €€€€€ spent by Hyundai and Toyota, miraculous. I would hope that ‘real fans’ could see that.
Mazda can enter Rally now
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It’s not a MIGHT anymore and there’s a LOADS of controversyQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
You have been reading that Estonian Rallifoorum again?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
"Hyundai Motorsport announces departure of Team Principal Andrea Adamo
• Hyundai Motorsport has reached a mutual agreement with Team Principal Andrea Adamo that will see him depart the company with immediate effect after six years
• In that time, Adamo has overseen the company’s Customer Racing department, as well as two titles in the WTCR – FIA World Touring Car Cup and FIA World Rally Championship
• President Scott Noh will assume Adamo’s responsibilities in the short-term ahead of the 2022 WRC season start at Monte-Carlo in January."
It's official, then...
Here we go!
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Still you guys laughing at me?
I’ll never write such a stuff without any background
Ohh its gonna be a lot more boring now. Adamo is just brilliant.
In front of the cameras yes, behind the cameras... Supposedly not so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by becher
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Thank god that buffoon is gone.
So, who´s coming...?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Interesting. Will it have any effect on the team positive or negative?
Hyundai should rotate him as he has done with drivers 🤣
Well supposedly is the right word, judging by his overall career I can't believe he is as useless as some people would like to claim around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Petter Solberg's phone is ready to recieve the call
"Personal reasons" again, like Tanak in Monza.
Could you elaborate more on this "LOADS" of controversy if you can? Would like to know more about the reason why it might have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
At what? He's one of the most hopeless team principals I've seen in motorsport....Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Where did I say useless? Don't put words in my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
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I for one thought he was a good team principal but the car is a fundamentally flawed understeering pig sadly.
Looks like ex drivers as Team Principals is the way forward.