Turkey 2018

don't know how to drive properly :D but i think it'll be ok. i'll see when i get there

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Rallying isn't just about driving on smooth gravel roads. There's a skill to being able to survive these tough events. McRae used to excel at it despite his crash prone ways in other events.

Some of these current drivers might have a thing or two to learn. Rallying should always be diverse. We have one pure snow event on the calendar, so why not one very tough car breaker as well? Mixed in with slower and faster tarmac/ gravel events. It's what rallying is all about, diversity. The world championship still needs that.

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On monte you can have ice while drivers mostly have wrong tires for the conditions so the skill is in driving sensibly.

Pretty much the same on rough gravel rallies. Managing the speed vs the conditions. That's an element that's mostly missing now.

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The driver who wrecked his Skoda in that ERC vid posted above, could've just slowed down. You always drive to the conditions of the road. He was too fast for the conditions it seemed.

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Or he just could get higher ride height
Or drove on Dakar-spec reid-truck
Or sit at service-park and watch a TV
Or play some game-shooter back at home
There are many choices, but no-one about classic rally what we should have. Want car-breaking event? - Go for reid or baja. A lot of swamps or dunes is guaranteed. But rally it's about who are faster, but no who has higher or better protected cars.

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Originally Posted by KKS

There are many choices, but no-one about classic rally what we should have. Want car-breaking event? - Go for reid or baja. A lot of swamps or dunes is guaranteed. But rally it's about who are faster, but no who has higher or better protected cars.

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In Finland you can break the car on quite a lot of jumps if you go flat out over them => Ban Finland cause it's car-breaking event?

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Originally Posted by mknight

In Finland you can break the car on quite a lot of jumps if you go flat out over them => Ban Finland cause it's car-breaking event?

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JML just went for a pee at smooth German road and break a car → ban German? or smooth roads? or JML?

Answer is simple - you must don't use raid roads for a rally.

Perfect road for WRC'17 spec car. Is't it?
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Not Turkey, just Ukraine logging-road just for example.

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JML just went for a pee at smooth German road and break a car → ban German? or smooth roads? or JML?

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Make the car out of something else than (carbon) paper ;) This is not F1.

Any rally is a potential car-breaker, thats why rally cars are specifically built to cope with extremes. Only If a rally had totally different roads on the same day would it be a problem.

But, just like here, they they dont.

All the stages on this rally are rough. So the cars and driver's have to be set-up and driven accordingly.

There are plenty of high-speed events and its good to have another tough, slower one.

there should be a forum just for brits... exchanging their basic thoughts to each other so they do not get confused...

speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads... in cyprus the average speed was 60kms and more than 2/3 of the entries retired.

Plus there are other classes in the event apart from the WRCs.

basic humans...

Exactly, WRC cars are actually a minority, some 20% of the entry list or even less.

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NEU: "I will have hard time being first on the road again"
OGI, TAN: "Not again this story..."


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OGI: "That's meant to be my line, now I have to think of something else to complain about"

TAN: "Can't we stop talking and just drive already?"

shakedown underway guys...Neuville just started

times here like always https://www.ewrc-results.com/shake/4...marmaris-2018/

Tänak lost a lot of time

i suspect a spin or smth...and straight into the service he went

https://www.facebook.com/Rallye.Spor...9585373394174/ -shake live

Mads really liking the C3 on the gravel

clear road pays off ))

Ogier bettered his time nearly by 10 secs...thats a lot

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WTF again??? Mikkelsens car is a joke.

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Doesn't look like there is external damage. Could be anything from completely destroyed engine to a sensor giving wrong info. (in shakedown obviously one stops on first warning).

Probably first news of the start possibilities will come late in the afternoon after the car gets to service and inspected.

Neuville went bananas on the third run

Hyundai says Mikkelsen had "transmission problem".

Interesting since it's same car as in Sardinia.

Mikkelsen on his way to the stage now...Citroens, Paddon and Tänak have been waiting there like forever already...


and just as i wrote Tänak and Ostberg are coming down from the stage :confused:...weird...Paddon too

Are these modern R2 and R5 really weaker cars than those 1980s/1990s cars. Acropolis was part of WRC, I can´t remember much complaining about roads conditions.

Turkey is good and if you don´t like it, you can skip it in WRC2/3, simple!

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Are these modern R2 and R5 really weaker cars than those 1980s/1990s cars. Acropolis was part of WRC, I can´t remember much complaining about roads conditions.

Turkey is good and if you don´t like it, you can skip it in WRC2/3, simple!

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In 1990's they had service and tyre change between each stage, mousse tyres and they were allowed to three-wheel into service. With less suspension travel and tyres with less grip they probably drove slower even when going flat out. Now, basically the tyres and suspension allow faster driving on rough roads, but that can also lead into bigger damage when hitting a bigger rock than expected. Also these cars are probably more expensive to service and certain parts are regulated more than in the 1990s.

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I can´t remember much complaining about roads conditions.

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you have a very weak memory then... you should check it out...

Mikkelsen's car fixed and returning to SD.

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Are these modern R2 and R5 really weaker cars than those 1980s/1990s cars. Acropolis was part of WRC, I can´t remember much complaining about roads conditions.

Turkey is good and if you don´t like it, you can skip it in WRC2/3, simple!

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Yes, they are waker. Comparing to 80s/90s cars, nowadays speed is more important than reliability...

speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads...

Yet I reckon the Safari would be even rougher, but most would love to see that return. The championship rounds are too similar. It's a good thing that the drivers have to drive to the conditions a little more, makes it more interesting.

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Originally Posted by T16

speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads...

Yet I reckon the Safari would be even rougher, but most would love to see that return. The championship rounds are too similar. It's a good thing that the drivers have to drive to the conditions a little more, makes it more interesting.

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Yes! This is one of the important aspects of rally for me.

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speed has nothing to do with breaking the car on those stupid roads...

Yet I reckon the Safari would be even rougher, but most would love to see that return. The championship rounds are too similar. It's a good thing that the drivers have to drive to the conditions a little more, makes it more interesting.

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Modern WRC = sprint events and flat out speed....then when we get an event which is a bit different, things can happen.

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Modern WRC = sprint events and flat out speed....then when we get an event which is a bit different, things can happen.

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That's my point... It's about time we had it mixed up a bit.

I was just wondering why N.O.T. was complaining about the roads and I maybe assumed, probably wrongly, that he would welcome the Safari back...

I would welcome a safari like rally back because its a totally different event and the cars are also modified to an extent...

but to have a modern rally format event with just rough roads is stupid... its just a matter of luck who retires and who wins when there are stones everywhere.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

I would welcome a safari like rally back because its a totally different event and the cars are also modified to an extent...

but to have a modern rally format event with just rough roads is stupid... its just a matter of luck who retires and who wins when there are stones everywhere.

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NOT, you've been around to know this isn't going to come down to luck. I really don't think they are going to just go flat out at it. It will add an element of skill and endurance that we've been waiting a long time for. Yeah, I get the cars aren't modified, but the drivers will just have to deal with it.

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NOT, you've been around to know this isn't going to come down to luck. I really don't think they are going to just go flat out at it. It will add an element of skill and endurance that we've been waiting a long time for. Yeah, I get the cars aren't modified, but the drivers will just have to deal with it.

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If you have loose rocks on road, then it will always be a luck. Whatever speed you drive or careful are. And no one waits for endurance events. There are different series for that.

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If you dont like Rally Turkey, tough. You can always go and find something else to do and let the rest of us enjoy it.

But it will be exciting and dramatic so I bet none of you will...

I was in Turkey two times, on Bosphorus Rally near Istanbul. And I must say I liked the stages a lot. I dont think it was so rough like this ones...