Who's right, you or George boy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
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Who's right, you or George boy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
I think the most practical solution for everyone would be the following:
- If farmers lose about 5% of their sheep to the foxes, the government should put a 5% higher VAT on their products. The farmers could then deduct an equivalent amount of money in their income tax.
Well I think that I'm right with my opinion, because I doubt that Georgeboi999 knows much about sheep farming living in Barnsley.Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
But how does the fact you know more about sheep farming make fox hunting right? I can't even see how sheep farming itself can make fox hunting right. One could even ask if sheep farming is right. It's all about opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Well now you have brought it up what kind of opinion would it be that said sheep farming was wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The same kind that says fur farming is wrong. Vegans don't use any animal products, so I don't believe sheep farming is essential for human existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Are you a vegan? :erm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Well if that is a argument then I don't think that the internet, cars, writing, talking is vital for human existence. I'll tell you what, why don't we all go and live in caves again.
No, I'm not even a vegetarian, but some are, and I can't say they're wrong. However, I could survive just fine without sheep products. I don't eat it and most of my clothes are cotton and polyester, not wool. A sheep is about as useful animal for me as a fox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
But since when has democracy been based around you, one person? In the whole world I would say sheep are more important to the existence of the more of the human race than foxes are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
I think there are many like me who think foxes and sheep aren't essential, they are just nice to look at (no Oily, not in a sexual way).Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
WELL if that is the case then lets just let the foxes kill all of the sheep, so then you are happy. :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
They don't kill them all, just about 5% like you said. Foxes have to eat too, you know, and they can't be vegetarian because their digestive system isn't built that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
But then because, the farmers can't make any money out of sheep because they are 'not-essential', they would not breed any more so they could use the land for cattle or crops instead. Sheep would die out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
True. But it doesn't make it right. They could keep them as pets or to prevent grass and other vegetation from growing too tall. In Finland, some keep sheep as a hobby and they are also used to take care of historical and cultural landscape for tourists and museum purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
And who'll pay for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
As I understood, foxes eat mainly rabbits anyway so sheep dying out wouldn't affect them much.
This dying out thing makes me wonder, where were sheep before humans started domesticating animals?
They were wild, but there are hardly any wild sheep in England anymore. The farmers would most likely not breed anymore or kill them so the land could be used by other farm animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erki
but why would anyone want to reduce the number of a species so they would become close to extinction.
people themselves if that's a hobby, and taxpayers and visitors if it's for cultural and historical reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
I have a better more sustainable method.
I call it farming ;) -the process of producing food, feed, fiber, fuel and other goods by the systematic raising of plants and animals.
I agree with the ban...killing any animal for pure enjoyment is wrong..
I don't remember where I read that but apparently farming animals contribute something like 20% of the CO2 that goes into the atmosphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
But as I said, I don't know where it was written... maybe someone does?
But people eat animals for the enjoyment of the taste, is that wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by raikk
If you think it is, then it is. Besides nobody here has suggested that hunting for food should be banned. Maybe if the hunters ate the foxes they catch, fox hunting would be less objected?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Some people get their pleasure out of killing animals by eating them.
Others get their pleasure out of killing animals by hunting them.
You don't have to eat animals to survive, so will the government ban it?
Eki, I'm against fox hunting, but your arguements are poor, Jon Brown even makes fox hunting seem like a good thing against your poorly thought out arguements!
Which one particularly? Why don't you tell why they are poorly thought out?Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123