So time for predictions to be reread in middle of January. Anyone starts? Maybe a points-system as well?
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So time for predictions to be reread in middle of January. Anyone starts? Maybe a points-system as well?
what about it? You think 10 points max is better solution, or scoring points each day as in ERC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
With Paddon confirmed now i hope Meeke and Tänak will continue, these three put a serious challenge on VW guys this season, Meeke regularly and Paddon and Tänak in Sardinia and Poland respectively. im sure there's more to come from them.
Tänak about his season on facebook and from this it seems he will be in WRC next year:
Im on my way to the airport after a very difficult Rally GB! The rally didn't finish the way that we wanted as I broke the rear wishbone on the first stage today and we had to retire. It was a strange one, I think we clipped a rock on the outside of the line and somehow it caused the damage.
Before that, the weekend had been not bad. We were fourth and the plan was to try and keep ahead of Sordo today. It was a really difficult rally, the road conditions were very tricky, lots of standing water and the grip changing a lot. But we were making good progress.
It's not the way I wanted to end the season but thats the way it goes sometimes. Now we must focus on 2016 and moving forward.
So now is a good time to thank you all for the support during the season, all the messages really does mean a lot to me. We've had some ups like in Poland where we were on a rally leading pace, and some downs where we've retired from good positions. This year also had one of the scariest accidents of my career when we went into the lake in Mexico.
But the progress has been good. For many of the rallies I've been going there for the first time in a WRC car and it takes a little time to perfect everything and fine tune, it's not possible to just push at the start.
So thanks everyone and please continue to support Team Tanak in 2016!!
why this happened? did Robert said something?
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/mont...1447624567.jpg
My God how pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
That was a French flag in respect to Paris... Good job Photoshop guys, I hope you're proud of yourself.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
totally stupid,there is the original photo.
http://images.wrc.com/News/2015/Nove...45_896x504.jpg
Some low life polish people just photoshoped the French flag... total disrespect of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Disgusting!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Why would you even reproduce this photo? No respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Was reading Wales post event press conference and Meeke's words about his future underlined a "bit" of haste for his current situation:
Q:
Talking to Yves Matton, you might know about the future soon?
Kris Meeke:
I'm happy he's talking to you… at least he's talking to somebody!
and also...
Q: Marco Giordo (Autosprint, Italy).
Kris, when do you know about your future?
Kris Meeke:
Honestly I have no idea. It's strange to say you haven't spoken to your team boss at this stage of the year, but that's the situation. I hope it becomes clear, but at this stage I have no idea. Maybe I'll go and ride some enduro bikes with Jost…
He has not been too much diplomatic it seems...
are you talking to me??????Quote:
Originally Posted by car
Meeke to M-Sport sounds good to all
If he takes that option if offered he will be even more frustrated than he has been in 2015!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
i would wish kris get a seat at hyundai, paddon, meeke und the neuville from 2014 could be real rivals for VW
No... it was intended for whoever manipulated the photo in the first place. Sorry if it came across wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I hope kris stays at citreon.he knows the car inside out
so, Meeke and Tänak at Citroen? i wouldn't mind :P
Getting rid of Meeke to take Tanak is too stupid even for Matton ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
He must get rid of Ostberg not Meeke ;)
I think Al14 didnt read post correctly. It would be an interesting idea. Speedwise it would mean that Citroen has the fastest drivers behind VW. Stability needs to be improved, however, Meeke has advanced a lot in recent rallies, to be honest, Tänak has done the same. GB was really unfortunate. Even if you look what happened to Ogier on SS1 or Kubica spin or whatever, his recent retirements have been results of very small mistakes (Argentina, hitting stone in wtaresplash, Mexico, small cut and broken suspension resulting in swimming excercise, GB stone) compared to major overdriving he did several years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Sorry didn't get it. :) But he won't do it, even if it would be perfect for Tanak. Yesterday Neuville, in an interview said clearly that m-sport engine is too little and slower than others. Maybe with less effort to set good times Tanak could crash less.
i believe Neuville, we have had these stories on estonian forum too and you can see it on onboard comparison with others on wrc plus. With the old Fiesta Tänak was clearly overdriving but with the new car things got better.
About Citroen http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/novem...4--12-12-.html
"It was very interesting what we saw during this rally"....
sounds good for Meeke.
For the second year in a row Ostberg has more points than Meeke in the final WRC standings. This year Meeke drove one event more than Ostberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Ostberg is for sure as good as Meeke and, when you see the final points in 2 seasons as a teammate, is better. Of course Ostberg is not the fastest on asphalt, but there are only a few asphalt rounds in the past years.
He might have been looking at Lefebvre as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
For sure at the moment Ostberg is a better driver than Meeke. Numbers and results can't lie if you look at them in a high number of events. Said that Ostberg is the same driver from years now and Meeke is clearly faster. So if I have to choose from the two I would chose Kris just to have some little hope to bring home a couple of events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
But not Tanak at his team mate :D
He's not the fastest on loose surfaces either but he is reliable and he deserves his place in the WRC. In some ways Meeke and Ostberg compliment each other well. Meeke is clearly faster almost everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
I suppose it depends what Citroen want and what their future will be.
Meeke vs Ostberg... It's like the old saying, 'It's easier to make a fast driver consistent, than a consistent driver fast...'
Ostberg will never win anything for Citroen, Meeke could..
Agree with RS. The more I think about it Matton and Citroen should look to retain both Meeke and Ostberg.
2017 is a different story but I really don't think there are any better options out there right now heading into next year.
Saying Ostberg is better than Meeke is subjective. In a world where no one is going to get close to Ogier/VW how do you define what makes one better than the other? My personal opinion is that Meeke's performances and promising speed have garnered more attention than anything Ostberg's consistency has led to.
Combining that eye-catching speed of Meeke, plus the solid consistency of Ostberg is a good way to go. I think we've seen all that Mads has to offer as a driver. I don't think we've seen the best of Meeke yet.
See, now that quote which I have heard so many times I just think keeps getting proved wrong. Give me the name of one fast driver who was inconsistent and has now magically become consistent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Latvala is fast and inconsistent. Tanak is fast and inconsistent. Kubica is fast and inconsistent.
Ogier was consistent and fast. Loeb was consistent and fast, Hirvonen was consistent and fast, Sordo is/was consistent and fast. Mikelsen is fast and consistent.
And the biggest exception to this, Paddon is consistent and getting faster.
Ask Latvala to slow down to Mikkelsen pace and he will be magically more consistent. Ask Mikkelsen to increase pace and to try to match Ogier's in every rally and Mikkelsen will become inconsistent. The thing is, neither of them wants probably change their driving, because Latvala is dreaming to be World Champion and Mikkelsen is comfortable with his 1 min behind to Ogier at the end of any rally.
Also, consistency comes with experience so please don't compare relatively inexperienced drivers like Tanak and Kubica to drivers like Hirvonen and Sordo who have over 10 years of WRC experience, because it just doesn't prove anything.
I'm really looking forward to next season to see what Hayden and Thierry will do. The new i20 won't be slower for sure, so it could be interesting to see how the fight inside the team will help Hyundai start delivering.
Regarding Østberg, he has become much faster on tarmac this 2 last years, he was not so bad in Germany and Spain.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
On snow, he can challenge for a win, on gravel he can take podiums.
I cant understand why he should not be in wrc.
No, he probably not became a WC, but who's gonna when ogier/vw is around?
When was the last time he actually challenged for a win on snow? Or any surface for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Ostberg on his facebook, Google translation: There have been many questions to multiple teams and multiple drivers what is the plan for next year. As always, the part card that is held close to the chest. Mads says the following about it: "we have good control and know what we know. More I have not permission to say but; We tune in next year's WRC, with the aim to do better than this year. The plan that dictates that there it is realistic. So can those who want to speculate on what that means ", concludes with a broad smile Mads.
so Meeke doesnt know anything but Mads already looking to next year? From that it seems that Ostberg is going to another team because Citroen havent decided their future yet. Of course it can be the other way that Mads will stay but it sounds weird that they havent talked to Meeke but Mads knows his deal already.
With time I've started to believe that the old saying: "it's better to make a fast driver consistent than the contrary" is just wrong.
Look at the facts.
Latvala finished his events on 2007-8 minutes behind Loeb. Now he can match Ogier speed on almost every rally. His inconstistency on the contrary is still there, maybe improved a bit but not as much as his speed.
Hirvonen has always been consistent and became faster from 2006 to 2009.
Paddon is building his speed as well while his average number of errors in a rally is almost the same.
And it is not only a matter of experience here...
The one that fits in the old saying can be Ogier himself. He was prone to errors but slightly fast just from the beginning and became very much consistent with the time. But he seems more an exception than a rule.
I couldn’t resist.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Robert De Niro – Taxi driver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkpes3dgzg
May be the case with Paddon is that he began consistently to adapt to the car/or adapt the car to him/perhaps both in the first place. Then naturally the speed slowly but steady came. I believe he was always very fast driver, and if he tried to do the impossible at the beginning, the result would be literally nowhere. Good job by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
The heck !?...
K.Meeke " (...) Je ne piloterai plus de Citroën officielle en 2016 mais il reste quelques semaines avant de repartir pour une nouvelle saison et trouver un nouveau volant. "
http://www.lequipe.fr/Rallye/Actuali...993#xtor=RSS-1
What that part of "flying finn"?
So that means he won´t drive for Citroen in 2016 and needs to find a new seat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera