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Originally Posted by The Black Knight
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:sailor: Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Okeydoke, as long as you'd do the same. I'll let Lewis have it after last year and Derek Warwick's vicious criticism, which Lewis dealt with better than most.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Besides, Nico got a free ride for his behaviour after China.
Someone's head needs to roll for this in Mercedes. Pitting him was ridiculous - there was no way he was he was coming out ahead!Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
the only thing moronic is your commentQuote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Hamilton showed class on the podium and his interview so what did he do wrong?
ridiculous
I thought The Boss handled it all quite well, in fact very mature
log it under "seemed like a brilliant idea, at the time..." The grist in the mill was at how long the Safety car was on the track. As it was out there, the laps that 'advantage' was meant for were slipping away, to the point where it was moot.
Blame the strategists in the pit for that mistake.
Why would you give up track position at Monaco? Unless there was an issue with Hamilton's tyres that forced a stop, and Mercedes haven't said anything, then there was absolutely no reason to pit. Bonehead play of the year goes to the men in silver.
Britany cheated! Someone had to say it! ;)
How has he been a spoiled brat exactly? I found him rather pragmatic on the podium for a guy Whose team just screwed out of a win in the worlds most prestigious circuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Your point about the engines is irrelevant because that's not what happened.
He didn't but he definitely didn't deserve the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
I have to say also, I thought Hamilton actually handled it very well.
You can't expect him not to look sad. Remember Kimi's face after losing his first win on oil in France 2002 and others I am sure.
He had the right to look pissed, but kept his mouth shut and said all the right things.
One of the most stupid things I have ever seen in F1.
At least it turned a dull dull race at the top into something that will be discussed for a while !
toto is giving me nonsense
there was absolutely no need to bring in lewis plain and simple.
It doesn't matter what ferrari did .Hamilton was still going to lead the race and nobody was going to overtake him on the race track in monaco
so all this talk about bad calculations etc is just ridiculous
there shouldn't have been any decision in any way.
You are leading the race they are going to take a few laps to clean the mess, your harder compound tires have done less than the super soft with a lighter car,
STAY OUT!
I can't stand ted kravitz but for once he is expressing the sheer and utter disbelief most folks have in terms of mercedes logic
The Anglo Mafia ain't buying it. What we have here is a conspiracy, and collusion in which Nico was complicit!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Santa Flavio!!! :p:
Flavio was on the grid earlier today :eek: :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
I rest my case :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Piquet Jr was also seen wearing a Mercedes strategy t shirt too :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
I am still numb from the shock of what I witnessed this morning.....Shame on Mercedes AMG Petronas F1....LH won that race and you guys know it!!!! Really pissed off about it!!!
Dunno about a conspiracy but the most obvious collective case of brain fart I can remember ever seeingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Was one of the stupidest things I've seen dine for a long time, not required AND poorly executed. I'd be pretty crushed if they'd managed to do that to me
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Let's just call it home field advantage then, because their is something rotten in the state of Monaco :angryfire :confused: :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
This is nothing like an engine expiring. This is complete and total incompetence. From everything I've read thus far, Hamilton has handled himself with complete professionalism. Unless I hear that he threw something or bitch slapped someone in the debrief, as far as I'm concerned, he is a man who doesn't snap under a completely wrong circumstance.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
And could please you explain what "man up" means? I don't understand that at all.
Just pointing out that I wrote this before the podium ceremony, in reference to his stopping the car on track, driving dead slow in the cooldown lap, knocking down the 3rd place sign or walking away from the podium and being asked by the FIA chief press officer, or whatever his title is, to come back. That's what I found childish about his behaviour. He had all the right to be upset, but this was just throwing his toys out of the pram.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
That said, I think that the way he kept his composure in the podium was commendable. I also find that Brundle asking him how bad he felt was pretty low and that Martin should feel embarrassed; but Lewis gave a very nice reply.
Way to man up dawg!!:bandit:Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
It's something people say to me a lot - usually if I were to ever to show the slightest dissatisfaction with anything, no matter how serious. It seems to mean stop being a weak child and grow up and act like a man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
With me and with Lewis, it seems that some people have very high standards for maturity. I only hope they apply those standards to themselves as well.
Slowing down to collect himself is pretty understandable given the circumstances. He was probably livid given what had happened. I'd probably have done the same thing myself. He's experienced enough to know that he needs to not say things in the heat of the moment that he might regret. I think he hit the 3rd place sign, don't think it was knocked - no big deal. You're just picking on nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
If that was all he did, I think he handled having his race victory gifted to Rosberg about as well as any man could. I thought maybe he did the "Danica Stomp" down the pitlane or kicked Toto Wolff in the groin or tried to yank off Niki Lauda's remaining ear... something like that. But Pastor Maldonado, on cold, worn out rain tires, with Sam Michael as his race engineer, could have won that race under the same circumstance in that closing stage. So if that's all he did, good on him.
I've been watching racing since the 1970's. And I'm searching my memory bank to see if I can recall anything even close to what I just witnessed. I wonder who is updating his resume at Mercedes AMG right now though.
I agree with you, in that some people seem to have very high (unrealistic) standards of maturity, when they, themselves, would likely act much worse in similar circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbetty
The way I see it, if Lewis didn't knock any of the Mercedes team on their butts after that, he handled himself well. That was nothing but sheer incompetence with an added dose of stupidity. I felt robbed that my coverage didn't show the podium ceremony, so I can't comment first hand yet. But IMO Nico should have limited celebration and put Lewis on the top step with him.
I bet Ferrari are loving crap like Mercedes just did.
Trouble with getting Lewis on the top step with him is that you end with an Austria 2002 situation on your hands. Chaos.
Lets be fair, as stupid as this was. Nico did nothing wrong and he won the race. Whether is was a Lewis error, team error, mechanical failure.......
Nico won and celebrated accordingly and like Lewis said all the right things for the team.
Agreed. It would have been nice if Rosberg had not celebrated out of respect for Lewis, but it's hard to imagine that anyone would be complaining had he inherited the race win due to a reliability issue on Lewis' car. At the end of the day, both are things outside of either driver's control. Rosberg lucked into the win, all right, but he won and did what winners do - celebrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
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Originally Posted by steveaki13
I just searched out some of the after race conference. Though I obviously can't see the body language, reading the interview it seems to me that everyone on the podium handled the situation very well. And I wasn't suggesting the chaos of the Austria incident, just hoping that Nico should do what it appears he did, by admitting his luck and the misfortune for Lewis being the real deciding factor.
Not sure if this has been posted, yet. Perhaps it has already been discussed, but check out the video from Max crashing into RoGro. I can't see how anybody could really fault Max for this. I seems clear to me that the Lotus pulls hard to the right and goes from the gas. I think it was a typical veteran "welcome to the big leagues" statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2icY5k9pByE
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Originally Posted by kfzmeister
I am not sure if this video shows anything new. The clip was played ad nauseam over and over on TV during the yellow flag.
Also, I don't see any RoGros movements to the right. It seems like he was going to take a usual race line through the corner. When the contact happened he was certainly moving to the left. Some people place the blame on RoGro for braking early, but to me diving like that looked like an act of desperation by Verstappen who is feeling pressure to perform from within the team. Kvyat was all jolted in the race too. I suspect Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko had a "motivational" conversation with both of them before Monaco.
It appears that Rogro did feign to the right a little, but I'm not sure that that just isn't the way he normally sets up that corner, and even if it isn't there is nowhere to go on the right except to cut the chicane.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
In this sense I agree with you [kfz'] that Rogro did deceive the kid, and made what could be construed as a "welcome to the big leagues" statement, although we cant know that for sure. At any rate I don't see anything there that contravenes the rules as you are allowed one covering move (although there really wasn't anything to cover on his right) before you get back on your normal racing line through the corner. According to Allan Permane the stewards acknowledged that the decision was made on the basis of data presented to them that RG got on the brakes 5 meters later than he did the lap before, and Max's contention from the beginning was that RG did brake earlier, which the data apparently doesn't support.
I think Max should just chalk this one up to experience, and get on with it, which really is all he can do.
I can't extrapolate things out that far, but I'm not saying it is outside the realm of possibility. However when you're racing the car you own up to your actions, which may or may not be what Max believes he has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Tough call this one!
I agree on this given the new information provided by the Stewards. Initially when I viewed the video it looked as though Grosjean had sold Max a dummy and braked earlier than usual. If the data indeed does show that Grosjean braked 5 metres later than the previous lap where Max was also up his gearbox then only Max is to blame. I'm a fan of Grosjean and Max but, from looking at the video, it looks differently. I'd love to see the onboard of the previous lap from Max and see what it looks like to compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Remember Singapore 2011 I think it was where Schumacher did something similar, a seasoned veteran,because he had forgotten to keep his tires warm during a safety car period. I still think it unfair for people like Massa, a guy whom himself has made massive blunders over the years, to come hitting out at Max for one incident. If it had happened in his first race then, for sure, there would be concern but he has proven himself to be more than capable of mixing it with the big boys over the opening 6 races as has Carlos Sainz.
Verstappen was carrying a lot speed into the corner. I suspect he may not have made the corner even if he hadn't clipped the Lotus.
even though i did blame grosjean for the incident as well and maybe a a bit more than max, i also think that it would have been hard for verstappen to make that corner. i have just watched it again and he was coming in there at some speed. So perhaps i'm being swayed back towards blaming max more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Nice well reasoned post TBK. As for the part I have emboldened; I'm not one for taking or discounting others opinions. Felipe is entitled to his, and people should take it for whatever they think it is worth. After all he saw the same video as everyone else, and just because he is someone that will get a microphone shoved in his face, and be quoted in racing publications doesn't mean you have to agree with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
My computer had a bad virus, which has prevented me from using the internet as often as normally would. Needless to say, but I can't wait to read this fred! Oh God, I'm going to go right from the the first post and build myself to the big moment!
I switch over to the Eurovision replayed broadcast from a commercial break. I flick back to see Hamilton behind Rosberg and Vettel. "He's not going to get past them. What on earth has happened?"
That was hilarious! Personally? It largely makes up for Hamilton's 08 Monaco win which was the biggest fluke win I've come across. Now we just need for Rosberg to beat Hamilton to the title within 17pts to readdress the balance.
Oh deary me.