2013 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Grosjean has just said sorry for his move left on Button.

Rightly was miffed about his Penalty though

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your thoughts are being echoed by Davidson who is just as miffed about the massa incident penalty
if anything he could have gotten one for gaining a spot from cutting the chicane in the button incident
but I still think his initial move on button was fine and if anything button,knowing that he did not have the lead over him, nor the inside line to the corner should have backed off, instead of potentially ruining his front wing and cutting grosjeans rear tire. The squeeze only happened because button refused to concede

meanwhile alonso takes a shot at grosjean :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Yer I am sorry. I was wrong to say that.

You're not in that bracket. I thought you seemed to be laying into JB a bit much, and over reacted.

Sorry Truefan. :)

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fair enough
I do admit I was a bit perturbed during the race
...things might have been said, in not the nicest of ways on my part
;)

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Originally Posted by webberf1

Kimi's car wasn't faster, Vettel simply dropped the ball and opened the door not being able to get past button.
Meanwhile, I'd say Lewis just delivered the drive of the season, in a car that was not the fastest in either qualifying or race trim.

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What a joke. The merc has been on pole 7 out of 10 times. It's not the car's fault both merc drivers suck on race day.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

have to start sucking major ass

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Originally Posted by vhatever

What a joke. The merc has been on pole 7 out of 10 times. It's not the car's fault both merc drivers suck on race day.

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You have accused Gary several times recently of living in an alternative reality, in what alternative reality does one live in that you can't see that at certain circuits the Merc melts its tyres?

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Best way to wrap up this thread

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

You have accused Gary several times recently of living in a alternative reality, in what alternative reality does one live in that you can't see that at certain circuits the Merc melts its tyres?

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Redbull had the same problems-- and without the benefit of 7 out of 10 poles. and remind me, where is Vettel in the WDC, again?

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Redbull had the same problems-- and without the benefit of 7 out of 10 poles.

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Not nearly to the same extent.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Not nearly to the same extent.

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How do you know? Be very specific.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

How do you know? Be very specific.

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I have eyes that can read the lap times and look at the drop off in performance.

i let those who want to talk, talk. but im happy Lewis has won , very happy and im going to drink some whiskey.. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I have eyes that can read the lap times and look at the drop off in performance.

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AKA "you have no idea".

It's hardly a secret in the F1 paddock that the Mercedes is the hardest car on its tyres. Anybody who saw the Chinese, Spanish, Canadian or German GPs knows it too.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

It's hardly a secret in the F1 paddock that the Mercedes is the hardest car on its tyres. Anybody who saw the Chinese, Spanish, Canadian or German GPs knows it too.

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And how much of a factor does lack of talent at merc play into their tire problems? hamilton has never been good on his car or his tires. In fact, the moron throttle-brakes into corners. What kind of toll does such ****ty driving have on tire wear/performance?

Be specific and cite your credentials.

He didn't have any problems at McLaren looking after his tyres last year. Yet Rosberg and Schumacher struggled with horrible tyre wear in both 2011 and 2012. Does it strike you as a coincidence Hamilton has started to have tyre issues this year now he is in a Mercedes?

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

He didn't have any problems at McLaren looking after his tyres last year. Yet Rosberg and Schumacher struggled with horrible tyre wear in both 2011 and 2012. Does it strike you as a coincidence Hamilton has started to have tyre issues this year now he is in a Mercedes?

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Everyone ahs had issues with the tires since Pirelli started to make them. do you even watch F1 or just post on f1 forums?

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Everyone ahs had issues with the tires since Pirelli started to make them. do you even watch F1 or just post on f1 forums?

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So all teams wear the tyres at exactly the same rate then?

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

So all teams wear the tyres at exactly the same rate then?

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Nope. But we have no idea if the RB is more hard on its tires than merc is. that's nothing but speculation. for all you know the RB is harder on its tires, just their drivers ahve adapted better.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Nope. But we have no idea if the RB is more hard on its tires than merc is. that's nothing but speculation. for all you know the RB is harder on its tires, just their drivers ahve adapted better.

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You mean like when Vettel was looking after his tyres today by lighting them up everytime he came out of turn 2?

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

You mean like when Vettel was looking after his tyres today by lighting them up everytime he came out of turn 2?

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Only when he had the tire wear to spare. Unlike Hamilton bitching at his race engineer for telling him to take a bit off cause of possible overheating. What happens 3-4 laps later? the other merc engine went kaput?

Great job hamilton.

What a moron.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

Only when he had the tire wear to spare.Unlike Hamilton bitching at his race engineer for telling him to take a bit off cause of possible overheating. What happens 3-4 laps later? the other merc engine went kaput?

Great job hamilton.

What a moron.

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And did he have tyre wear to spare every lap because, I don't know, maybe the Red Bull isn't as hard on tyres as the Mercedes?

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

And did he have tyre wear to spare every lap because, I don't know, maybe the Red Bull isn't as hard on tyres as the Mercedes?

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The only time he was burning his tires up was when he was released by his engineer. Considering your constant lies about this race, it's hardly surprising you lie about this, too.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

The only time he was burning his tires up was when he was released by his engineer. Considering your constant lies about this race, it's hardly surprising you lie about this, too.

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He was doing it in every stint. The Mercedes boys were both told to take a shallower line through the exit of turn 2 to save the tyres, the Red Bulls clearly didn't have to that, which must be due to a car that is lighter on its tyres than the Merc.

Please stop calling me a liar.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

He was doing it in every stint. The Mercedes boys were both told to take a shallower line through the exit of turn 2 to save the tyres, the Red Bulls clearly didn't have to that, which must be due to a car that is lighter on its tyres than the Merc.

Please stop calling me a liar.

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I already showed you admitting you lied, so spare me the nonsnense about calling you out on them. news flash: some cars are stronger at different places on the track. those are the spots they will try their best to overtake someone. unlike the merc, the Rb has wlays lacked the straight line speed of other top teams so has to push hard during cornering or they would never pass anyone. Christ dude, buy a clue. a two year old who just started watching f1 today would understand that.

you are just making crap up, like your lies about the race coverage, to coverup the overrated joke of Lewy hamilton.

You haven't proved I lied once, so quit the personal insults.

Prove to me that the Red Bull is as hard on its tyres as the Mercedes then, if you won't accept the obvious evidence that the rest of us can see.

Zo :eek:

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Kudos to Massa for saying that Grosjean's penalty was wrong. ;)

By the way, Bernie Ecclestone signed a contract extension with the Hungarian government just before the race through 2021. Also, a record attendance was announced with 247,000 for the weekend and 99,000 for Sunday.

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Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle

Zo :eek:

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It would be nice if they released the investigation and data about this. Depending on when it happened it could have well cost Grosjean a position. Suprised Ferrari/Fred slipped like this.

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Originally Posted by N4D13

Kudos to Massa for saying that Grosjean's penalty was wrong. ;)

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I wasn't aware of that, but class act for doing so.




Overall a good race IMO.

Lewis used the pace when needed and pulled the gap. Other than his first pit entry (waaay up on the curbs) a very clean race for him.

Kimi drove in the shadows and was not noticed much of the race... right up until the came back into the light and kept Seb from getting by him. Good fighting and solid pace.

Grosjean was robbed with the penalty IMO. I've yet to see an angle where all four wheels were off. His move on Button was his fault though IMO.

Seb is feeling the pressure and it was obvious from all his lock ups and tire abuse. If the other teams can keep the pressure up and lessen the car gap his weakness shows. The team seems solid, but IMO Seb shakes easy if he doesn't maintain domination in the car.

why did Ferrari and alonso escape punishment?
to me that is worse than the massa incident with grosjean. because they penalized Grosjean for a strict interpetation of the rules technicality, which was not done intentionaly, and mor for avoidance of a collision.
meanwhile alonso is blatantly abusing the drs to either gain an advantage or hold of his pursuer, in both cases illegally
but not worthy of a penalty?

as i said, the marshals are the true donkey's of this race

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Originally Posted by truefan72

meanwhile alonso is blatantly abusing the drs to either gain an advantage or hold of his pursuer, in both cases illegally
but not worthy of a penalty?

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Have you checked the make of car he's driving? Since when have the same rules that everyone else has to obey been applied to Ferrari?

Overall a great race. Nice to see Lewis finally get his first Merc win and to all, who said last year that the transfer to Merc was daft - "IN YOUR FACE!" :D

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Originally Posted by truefan72

meanwhile alonso is blatantly abusing the drs

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I don't think you should use the word "blatantly" here. Here's the explanation from the stewards:

"The DRS enabling system was not changed by the team from the pre-race to the race setting," said a stewards' statement.
"The driver therefore incorrectly received 'DRS enabled' messages and reacted to them (when not entitled to) on three occasions.
"As soon as the team became aware of the problem they informed the driver to only use DRS when told to do so by the team.
"Whilst a small sporting advantage (less than one second over the entire race) was gained, the team argued #3 also suffered a disadvantage by being unable to use DRS on every legitimate occasion.

"However, the team is ultimately responsible for ensuring the system conforms to the regulations."

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Originally Posted by N4D13

I don't think you should use the word "blatantly" here. Here's the explanation from the stewards:

"The DRS enabling system was not changed by the team from the pre-race to the race setting," said a stewards' statement.

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How can such an oversight happen? Very unprofessional from Ferrari.

Does anyone remember Button's DRS being activated when there was no one in front of him?

What happened about that?

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Originally Posted by Koz

Does anyone remember Button's DRS being activated when there was no one in front of him?

What happened about that?

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Was that when he was being followed by Vettel, and there was a head-on shot of them coming out of the final corner and down the straight? If it's the occasion I'm thinking of, they had just lapped a Marussia, so I'm guessing Button waited until after the DRS detection point before passing the lapped car.

Regarding the Grosjean penalty, yes it did seem a bit unfair, because it was a fantastic bit of driving. But if all 4 wheels crossed the white line then he has gone of track to complete a move. If you remember the German GP last year when Vettel used the run-off at the hairpin to pass Button, then the rules have been enforced consistently on this occasion.

The 2012 Hungarian gp, literally made me fall asleep, so I didn't have high expectations of this race. However, I was pleasantly surprised. Hamilton drove excellently, and most of the time his number 1 position was "safe", but the battle for 2nd,3,4,5th,etc positions was epic.

I don't get peoples issue is with Vettel's heat of the moment comment. I don't believe there's anyone on here that can ever say they didn't say something in the heat of the moment which they didn't regret later. It's life, we're human, we learn from it. Get over it.

Kudos to Vettel for admitting his error afterwards. Another man would not have done that so publicly.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I don't get peoples issue is with Vettel's heat of the moment comment.

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Nobody above the age of 12 really actually gives a sh!t about any of that crap, do they? :dozey:

Hottest race of the year and yet Merc did not suffer from severe rear thermal deg - what's wrong with this picture?