it means the quote tags work as they should, unlike in the old forum ;) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
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it means the quote tags work as they should, unlike in the old forum ;) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
I don't get why he would say rubbish like this. If he suddenly improves performance then it'll look like he was deliberately holding back before and if he doesn't improve then people will note that Massa when he takes his gloves off is as rubbish as he was when he was holding back. Its a lose-lose situation all of his own making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I think Massa is probably talking to himself anyway.
He wasn't Alonso's lap-dog earlier in the season, but failed to push himself in front in the pecking order.
He wasn't Alonso's Number 2 early in 2012, but was miles away in performance terms.
He wasn't Alonso's Number 2 at any point in 2011, as the championship was well beyond reach for Maranello, yet again he was nowhere near.
Yes, occassionally Massa is on a level with Alonso. It's a rare event though.
I'd be surprised if it happens more than a couple of times between now and the end of the season. Which won't be enough to get him a drive in anything half decent, I suspect.
You mean "Oops , did I say that out loud ?" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
I don't think so .
His Brazilian fans wanted to hear it , but now he is joking with spitting Luca about it .
How is that going to go down in Brazil ?
Who's side is he on ?
Will he still be the favourite driver in Brazilian stock cars ?
Which Ferrari lapdog do you prefer??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
If I had to choose for myself I would prefer to be the one that actually gets paid! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Koz
News flash from Singapore:Quote:
Andrew Benson ? @andrewbensonf1
Raikkonen straight to the point on Lotus: "The reasons why I left are purely on the money side & I haven’t got my salary. It’s unfortunate"
3:14 AM - 19 Sep 2013
Rogro in a role reversal now getting upgrades ahead of Kimi :angel:
The matter with Massa is quit interesting, could it be that he all these years has hold back a bit, just to make Alonso look good? Perhaps he will give us the answer now.
It helps to use an emoticon when you are joking :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
You are TJ13 and I claim my Star Prize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
classic Mia :up: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Does that mean "Kimi, Romain is fatster than you!" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alca-Tazizzle
It is a shame. I really liked Lotus, but it appears the butt fucked bunny was Kimi. :(
The money problem in Lotus is really sad. No salaray or bonus to Kimi for the whole year if the rumours are true. Poor Hulkenberg and Grosjean, the latter have a little family now.
2009 Ferrari paid Kimi 20 million not to race, four years later Kimi races for free at Lotus. Time changes.
And yes, Massa has hold back a Little. He will show us his true pace this wekeend.
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
Now apparently Alonso may be moving to McLare... This might be getting just a tad too silly...
Yeah , now , Jettison is getting into it , saying having Fred as a team-mate would be interesting .Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
Can't see it .
Probably just Martin Whitmarsh taking a leaf out of Christian Horner's book... or rather, a spoon from Christian Horner's pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
I'm not sure what the heck is going on at Mclaren. neither button nor Perez signed yet for 2014Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
first they mention that their reserves should be in F1 seats now they are hinting at welcoming Alonso back to the team.
If this is Ron Dennis/Whitemarsh negotiating tactics, its is about to blow up in their face. Button may leave and go Lotus.
Perez might go back to Sauber
That leaves Hulkenberg as their only option to join the team, and perhaps be accompanied by a less than stellar Massa.
In 2013 both drivers (and button for once) have outdriven the machinery provided to them. So IMO the drivers are the least of their concerns. Build a proper car worthy of the mclaren name and perhaps these 2 will be winning races.
It looks to me like Ron dennis is going down the Marko/Tost route with blaming the drivers for the results when clearly the car is inferior
SMH
According to German magazin Der Spiegel, Button has already extended the contract, so if anything a move from Alonso would cost Perez his seat. I still can't imagine that happening. After his shameful conduct at McLaren 2007, the team would have to suffer from amnesia to sign Alonso again. Especially as he would come without Santander money to sweeten the deal. Santander already have stated that they'll stay with Ferrari - with or without Alonso.
.....which is going to be the same old same old!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
http://i.imgur.com/uetpDkc.jpg
Hope Kimi doesn't get lost in Singapore :angel: ;)
There are rumours, albeit ones with no attributable sources, that Lotus are seriously in danger of going pop.
You've therefore got to think that maybe Hulkenberg is better off staying at Sauber for another year?
Could be that Alonso seeking shelter in the Maclaren team next year. The Swedish pundits say that negotiations is going on.
Why would they want to sign a certified prick that blackmailed the team before. They'd be clinically insane to to that.
Mclaren looks as if they are willing to forget about Fernando's actions in 2007, and feel that there is some weakness in their current driver lineup. If Alonso, which is highly unlkely, was to sign on with Mclaren and be teamed with Button, could open the door for Hulkenberg to be Raikkonen's teammate at Ferrari.
Yep, it's oh so easy to forgive someone who cost you a hundred million dollars...Quote:
Originally Posted by easy rider
The man who cost McLaren wasn't called Fernando Alonso.
That McLaren are interested in signing the Spaniard is evidence that they know that.
You're mixing up two incidents. The 100 Million fine was applied for spygate, which IIRC mainly happened between Nigel Stepney (Ferrari) and Mike Coughlan (McLaren). Alonso however was involved in it as he exchanged Emails with then McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa about the exchanged data, which contradicted Ron Dennis's claim that McLaren had not been aware of the existence of the 780 page dossier. After the Alonso/Hamilton incidendent in the 2007 Hungary qualifying, Alonso threatened Dennis to leak the Emails, if he wasn't given #1 status over Hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
His actions did not incur the fine, he was merely a minor figure in that scandal.
Ok, then please do enlighten me as to who leaked the emails to the Bernie following a certain incident in Hungary and the failed blackmailing attempt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
[quote=dj_bytedisaster][quote=Koz][quote="easy rider":2ngcljk8]Mclaren looks as if they are willing to forget about Fernando's actions in 2007, and feel that there is some weakness in their current driver lineup. [/quote]
Yep, it's oh so easy to forgive someone who cost you a hundred million dollars...[/quote]
You're mixing up two incidents. The 100 Million fine was applied for spygate, which IIRC mainly happened between Nigel Stepney (Ferrari) and Mike Coughlan (McLaren). Alonso however was involved in it as he exchanged Emails with then McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa about the exchanged data, which contradicted Ron Dennis's claim that McLaren had not been aware of the existence of the 780 page dossier. After the Alonso/Hamilton incidendent in the 2007 Hungary qualifying, Alonso threatened Dennis to leak the Emails, if he wasn't given #1 status over Hamilton.
His actions did not incur the fine, he was merely a minor figure in that scandal.[/quote:2ngcljk8]
Before he leaked the emails, nothing was really happening. Investigation was re-opened due to new evidence provided by Alonso to Bernie.
That is what finally sealed the deal.
Here's a link: [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6992011.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 992011.stm[/url]
Still, it was McLaren's actions that cost them the fine, not Alonso's providing evidence. It would have come out one way or the other. His leaking the Emails merely sped up the process. It does show however that, unless the teams are all suffering from selective amnesia, he's not exactly the most employable driver out there and might have no other chance than staying at Ferrari. Being implicated in spygate and crashgate, he appears to be a worthy successor to Schumacher - just a few titles lacking :disturb: And people were making a fuss over Vettel ignoring a team order :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
It is a matter of semantics really; he no problems participating in it and the first moment things didn't go his way he resorted to blackmail, and then providing evidence against the team that was cleared by the FIA.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
IMO, the fine is Alonso's fault, at least it should be from McLaren's perspective.
He really is a despicable guy, but he just happens to be the greatest driver of this generation so we shall love him for that.
Vettel, he has Jesus... err Newey on his side...
This isn't really the thread for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
But, suffice to say that Alonso did not leak the emails. If the facts are what was reported, then he told Dennis that he would inform the FIA if Dennis did not provide him with the status he had been promised.
Dennis, realising that Alonso wasn't just playing games and, I sense, suspecting that there was more to Spygate than his initial investigation had uncovered (or not looked for, if one is to be critical and cynical), promptly realised that it would be better if he approached the FIA with the information. A case of trying to show that he was not trying to hoodwink the FIA (maybe he had, maybe he hadn't, either way it was better in terms of final judgement that he contacted the FIA).
Now, there is an argument to be had that Dennis himself had been happy to break certain agreements he had made with Alonso, which are equal to the "crime" of blackmail which is often pinned on the Spaniard.
But, as I said, that is for another thread, most probably in the History section.
One thing for sure is that whatever Alonso and De La Rosa did, it did not stop them from being highly employable.
Fernando, since 2007, has had contract offers from Renault and Ferrari which were signed, and was at some stage after Spygate, in 2007 and 2008 also wanted by both Honda and Red Bull.
Now, with Mclaren publicly declaring an interest, it would appear that every team in the top half of the field has judged that Alonso is not despicable.
Just for the record, the Honda and Red Bull interest was reported at the time -
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69683
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/n ... orts.sport
That's not quite true. Dennis approached Max Mosley and informed him that Alonso would send Bernie the Emails, but assured him that they didn't contain any evidence, which was subsequently exposed as a lie ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Parabolica
DJ, beat me to it.
Wrong.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/s ... rts.sport1
Ron, after the blackmail attempt told Uncle Max there was nothing to worry about.
Alonso leaked the emails.
The report has the word "apparently" in the opening paragraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
Something which apparently happened isn't something which is confirmed.
That report only states that Ferrari's lawyer claims that it was not Dennis, he does not name anybody.
The claim in the Guardian report that Dennis makes about Bernie being aware of something in Spanish is just hearsay, with no evidence to support it.
But, as stated, this is best moved to the History section.
alonso is a skilled politican, is he as skilled on track, we will see next year. Or not as it could be Maclaren as a shelter.
Is he skilled on track?
No, every single win has been gained purely by his political prowess.
Because of this, Ferrari only want to replace him with somebody as politically gifted.
Tony Blair is having a seat fitting next week.
Oh Felipe. He's standing up for himself, but all to late.
He's going to prove that that doesn't apply to him, Felipe is very fast, tfhat is the second most important reason Ferrari signed him. We're gonna' be fast, and more planted in race trim in Singapore :wave:
which raises the question, as malbec pointed out, WHERE THE FOKK HAS HE BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THEN ? :sailor:Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Still, under a tenth is hardly a thrashing, although maybe Alonso is so scared of kimi he can't drive straight anymore eh, mia ? :laugh: