And there it is, being covered by several news outlets — just not the ones you choose to consume. Far from proving your point, it proves mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
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And there it is, being covered by several news outlets — just not the ones you choose to consume. Far from proving your point, it proves mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Would you rather we run round the Muslim neighbourhoods door knocking for an answer? lol... If its sad doing a google search it's even sadder discussing it with people we don't know surely? :p
Well, quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
You don't know much about the American film industry, which is highly critical of conservative politics. The violence I will grant you, but that mostly a red herring argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Your last statement is pure b.s.--you must be buying what your media is feeding you.
BDunnell,it is confusing the manner in which you post. While I read your posts and some are well thought out, and see my own replies to some and theQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
lack of clarity due to words not being printed although typed (two keyboard issues hence computer issues) it seems that I may be of the less than
swift variety intellectually. The old adage, A slip of the tongue is no fault of the mind,should be applied.
You do not have the 'monopoly' as you mentioned in another post on anything as we know already we don't either so why do you assume or project to
the forum that only your posts on topics are to be taken seriously and the interjection of others is minimized.
The statement I made is certainly not overblown.
Where did ioan refer to 'conservative politics'? He referred to patriotism, which is a very different matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
I would respectfully suggest he was exaggerating for effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Umm, what to say?
Observing this pissing contest is rather distastefull but why is it happening? Is a criminl and terrorist attrocity against members of the public worthy of this type of rhetoric?
Grow up peeps. You're supposed to be humans :(
Believe me, I do not wish to lump you in with those the level of whose intellect I question, even if I may disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
How so? ioan's comment was not 'serious' at all. Were he a senior public figure, it might have been, but all he was doing was posting on a forum. Not that serious, in the grand scheme of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
It was a form of rhetoric, namely vulgar celebration, that caused this debate to start in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
For the sake of clarity, and don't get your panties in a knot, it was you, not me that stated Google searches. So, my point has been made. All you have to is for just the sake of being polite, admit you overstepped your mark. We, in this country are not ,all of us at least, uneducated.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I am not posting responses to these posts or forums with an attitude that it is only an internet forum! That would negate all issues contained within forums to the level of mundane and lacking in earnest and sincerity.
With that type of thinking many depravities one finds on the internet would be tripe and all comments and websites ignored.
Gary Glitter should be excused?
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Originally Posted by keysersoze
And how much have the USA bombed during the past 10 years? How many 10'000s or possible even 100'000s
have died or become injured because of the US wars? How many have been taken to court for this?
which of these have caused the most deaths and injuries to US citizens? By far the aggression wars fought by the USA and its vassals
against Muslim countries have caused more death, injuries and destruction in comparison to the terror attacks against USA.
And what is up with all this nonsense of the 19 year old being an "Illegal combatant"?
Is he a soldier of another country's army? No he is not.
Is he a civilian US citizen just like the rest of you? Yes he is. so why should his rights then be taken from him?
No, I don't. It was said that the reports of Muslims objecting to the actions of their fellow Muslims weren't there; I showed that they are, depending on the media you consume. These same objections had been reported here by the BBC only the other day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
In this country, the media will have us believe that "patriotism" and "conservative politics" are essentially the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
But why do I get the feeling you already knew that?
They can certainly be, but, without wishing to put words into ioan's mouth, I'd imagine he was referring to those films that portray a view of history in which the US contribution to certain events is over-emphasised. This need not be seen as expressly or implicitly conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
I will not even dignify this with a reply. Please--do not respond to any of my posts again. You have my word that I will not respond to any of yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Ben I think you suffer from severe phobiaholicism. Anything you can't rationalize is a phobia. There are many levels of education and many areas of education and you as well as others fall short in many areas. This includes your "little dick holder from Romania" If you feel your education level is too superior for this forum then you should probably move on. I think it is you that is having a education problem on this forum. Quite frankly this is actually a racing forum and chit chat just brings together some cutural interchange that you continually try to inject phobias into. Get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Somebody pass the popcorn... Fousto's back :laugh:
He's clearly part of an islamofascist sleeper cell, arriving in the country in 2001 (what happened in 2001 again?) at the ripe old age of 8 so as not to raise any suspicions....Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
err no, he's an illegal combatant because he's Muslim and used IED's instead of assault rifles :dozey:
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Originally Posted by thảoly535
In English please? :/
.. oh and welcome to the forum. ;)
Did the FBI drop the ball ?
Boston bomber: FBI 'dropped the ball' over Tamerlan Tsarnaev - Telegraph
Most interesting if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humber
And he's out of medication.Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
Even though, despite a bit of a diatribe in the first two paragraphs, the third one makes a very valid point?Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Obviously, you don't understand my English. I'll type slower:Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I-will-not-respond-to-that-post.
Will you respond to the same point about the classification of the suspect as an armed enemy combatant if someone else poses it in a post not containing a similar diatribe, then? Or would you just prefer to ignore that issue altogether?Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Considering it is because of people like me you can spew your jealous idiocy I would prefer you just worry about yourself and stop meddling in other people's lives instead of the thank you that you owe us.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
American interference in the Middle East, starting with installing the Shah in Iran in 1953, is what predominantly breeds hatred towards the US from the Middle East and by Muslims. Not Muslims hating American freedoms. I don't think it is something that should remain unsaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Our unquestioning support of Israel, when they turned from being the victim and began stealing others land, hasn't helped the situation much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiftingGears
Historically I wish US had taken better advantage of the Non-Aligned Movement. After coming to Nasser's rescue over the Suez we could't agree on anything else with the Soviets, even obvious values like ending the colonial system our own country was the model of breaking. Even in this day and age some Republicans have labeled the President with the term 'anit-colonial' to play to some very old red-scare terms only very old people would understand, let alone follow. Would our influence have changed Nasser's policies, changing his response to the original Muslim Brotherhood (or even changing what the Brotherhood at the time wanted to achieve)? That gets tricky, though. It's too easy to claim a single event would change everything else.
However, we didn't start giving Israel blank checks (or Iran, for that matter) until Nixon was president. Another thing to blame on the guy.
Unfortunately, it is true. I can see the President being blamed for this as was Janet Reno/Bill Clinton for Waco where a whacko (sic) was to be served aQuote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
warrant and instead of complying decided to open fire on the ATF agents (federal agents).
Right there and then the right wing element went all out to attack Reno, Clinton and the ATF. Three agents killed.
Here is the issue which is quite disturbing in my opinion. Why would the right wing and some on the left support certain actions which were A/ Illegal,
B/ Traitorous. When a US citizen has all types of weapons, holds countless people hostage including children and some elderly it appears that some
gravitate to the second amendment. Has anyone really, I mean really read what the 2nd amendment says. It quite clearly stated that it was for militia
purposes and the need for people, if one reads deeper into the reality of that time, it was necessary to have a gun to conduct even the most mundane
of exercises.Gathering wood, getting food and protection against the Native Americans who were going to take your scalp if that could be attained.
So, we have those who do not see the illogical arguments they make and accept everything thrown at them based upon their ideology.
ATF, Reno,Clinton wrong. Koresh correct, even though he had a small armory, killed three agents and refused to come out or let the people go.
I would bet that the Stockholm Syndrome was part of all of this.
Do agencies make mistakes and large ones at that not to mention an administration ignoring threats to the nation. This has happened and is fact.
This news pertaining to Tamerlan Tsarnaev is true and sadly appears to have been known that he was erratic in his behavior and thus should have been
known immediately. Do you think/believe that it's possible that the agency mentioned knew immediately who it was and rather than admit to
incompetence decided to play it out to save face? Hard to know but not something I would place a bet on.
Rewriting history. From wikipedia:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
"The incident began when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the standoff lasting 51 days. Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children,[8][9] including David Koresh, died."
Show me where anyone was held hostage. Those people were willing participants - wacko cultists, but still willing participants. That still does not excuse the overwelming use of force by the government. There was no reason to stage a full scale military assualt. Those folks weren't going anywhere.
Your opinion of the second amendment does not correspond with that of the Supreme Court which, several times, has decided otherwise.Quote:
....it appears that some gravitate to the second amendment. Has anyone really, I mean really read what the 2nd amendment says. It quite clearly stated that it was for militia
purposes and the need for people, if one reads deeper into the reality of that time, it was necessary to have a gun to conduct even the most mundane
of exercises.Gathering wood, getting food and protection against the Native Americans who were going to take your scalp if that could be attained.
So, we have those who do not see the illogical arguments they make and accept everything thrown at them based upon their ideology.
I would be hard pressed to find a more ignorant statement. While the FBI, it seems, could have been more diligent in tracking Tamerlan, it does not follow that they would have immediately known he was the perpetrator.Quote:
This news pertaining to Tamerlan Tsarnaev is true and sadly appears to have been known that he was erratic in his behavior and thus should have been known immediately. Do you think/believe that it's possible that the agency mentioned knew immediately who it was and rather than admit to incompetence decided to play it out to save face? Hard to know but not something I would place a bet on.
I reckon he's simply developed an immunity to it.......Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
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Originally Posted by Spafranco
The fear is perpetrated by your government and the mass media not by a dead man and one who just woke up from coma.
Shutting down a whole city in order to search for a wounded person is not normal, they did it to increase the fear of the plebe.
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Originally Posted by Spafranco
Do we know if this was a religion motivated act of terror?
If not why would the Muslims condemn the act? Why should they put themselves in the spotlight if it has nothing to do with them or their religion?
Are you seriously asking for an answer to a rhetoric question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
So, how many did you find?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Why should one agree to an unfounded claim? Just because you use the word 'certainly'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Ofcourse we would, we've learned about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
I am not buying anything because I do not listen to any specific media, I always read all available credible sources and make up my mind based on an overview of the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Cause there is nothing rational you can come up with against his point? Good choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze