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I thought Mikko's points are more importantQuote:
Originally Posted by MJW
My guess is that a Seb Loeb win is worth more marketing, what will it be 8 on the run in Argentina, Ogier gets the 2013 drivers championship (probably) there is more kudos for Citroen to say Loeb beats him (Ogier) when he is there at Monte, Argentina? and France? OK Seb Ogier spoiled the clean sweep in Sweden. Please dont EVER underestimate how much Loeb is worth to Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc1600
Malcolm trying to find the key to success. He should look at the man who holds the towel, not to suspension of the car!
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But if Mikko is in front of Loeb at the end of the rally and he will get more points than Loeb in the whole season what is the point? It's better to get as many as possible and sit comfortably in second overall ahead of Latvala than lose it and at the end of season be third behind both VW because of team orders, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
If Loeb wins, it's Loeb who was fastest and won. If Hirvonen wins, it's the DS3 who was fastest and won... Think about it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Argentita was probably the only 1 last year Hirvonen could beat Loeb cleanly if there were not team orders. Probably it is the best Rally in the calendar he could shine.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Sordo V Ogier ;)
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Too long waiting between first and second loop :(
Think I'd have been a bit miffed to be following in that cloud - anyone know how quickly Loeb got past Sordo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Now there is the question - why did not Sordo let Ogier pass him :confused: Looks like he is really trying to keep him behind, despite loosing loads of time :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Looks like Ogier wasn't completely wrong after all...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Do you really expect Sordo driving and looking back in the mirror on the stage? Especially he had only one? Ogier was good 200 m when footage starts and closed up about 100m at the end, I can't see any blocking, they didn't go bumper to bumper.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I little bit too harsh, but loks that way. It's going to be interesting RallyQuote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
Knowing how much time he lost, sports ethics says yesQuote:
Originally Posted by wrc1600
EDIT: besides there is the very reasonable question from Mintexmemory, how fast Loeb passed him (after Ogier obviously struggling to)
I bet stewards will be looking at the in-car, just to make sure the was no foul play. Nothing will happen, though
I see you have conspiracy theory, so imagine driving on the gravel and the only thing you can see in your only one mirror is dust and you have no time to even look back as you are on the stage, chasing lost time after roll.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Well, it's common in rally to be in touch with the team after an accident, in order to know the road position of the other drivers and then to slow down to make for an easy passing. Other than looking in your mirrors, you should at least hear the other car's engine running...
Imagine how scared the french are if they have collapsed to so miserable and obvious methods. Now their fans must hide for at least a month if they have a small drop of dignity left.
Well theories are just theories, until got proved. But I'm not the only one - even Loeb has them sometimes ;) (I can't quote you right now which Rally and year it was, but he was blaming Hirvonen I think)Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc1600
Have you ever tried to drive a rally car with intercome on and hear a car behind you? This is the game and drivers risk to drive 10th on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
What? Are You serious? No, You don't see back on gravel (badly even on asphalt because the S2000/WRC mirrors are very shaky) and You don't hear anything from outside especially if it's 200 meters behind You. Please don't write pure nonsenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
There was one when Mikko was blocking Sordo, until he hit his bumper Mikko didn't notice Sordo's car and that was on tarmac rally as far as I remember. So it's not that uncommon and it's not that easy to spot other car behind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Such situation also always bring crazy theories. Always the same song...
Maybe there was no radio coverage or Matton was too "busy" to take the call. No big deal, long way to go.
So you are telling me there's no way you can hear a second engine behind you for a 3-4km stretch and you don't even dare to take a quick look to see if someone's there, since you are losing minutes (!) because you're driving so slow after a crash AND you know very well Loeb could catch up to you? THAT, my friend, is pure nonsense!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
From I have seen there is nothing suspicious, both cars are quite far apart, Sordo was driving quite fast taking on damages to the car I would say normal stage speed, couldn't notice Ogier behind him on that section we have seen.
Cant see much wrong from that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Just unlucky Seb O.
My friend as said before get into rally car and drive on dusty, twisty, gravel road and try to see or hear anything some 100-200 m behind you. If you manage to that you are a genius. You can't tell that Ogier had to slow down as Sordo is far ahead of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
Don't put words in my mouth, please. How did You come to conclusion they were running 4-5 km behind each other? From 18 seconds long video? In the video they are so far distant that they can't see each other through the dust. No way. And to hear the other car? Yes, that is absolute nonsense. You can't hear the other even if it's ten meters behind You.Quote:
Originally Posted by smsgrafica
You are just trying to invent some sensation where there is none. I'm quite tired of that because it happened so many times before. Always the same storm in a teacup.
Seb-O now told Becsy he lost 'a few seconds.. thats rally'... :)
I spoke to @sebogier at service earlier - this is what he said to me about what happened with Sordo on stage 3 #WRC wrc.com/news/argentina…
tyre choice quite different between vw and citroen... for the second loop
Mads Ostberg stopped in the stage with broken steering arm.
Sordo 5 minute penalty because he was late out of service..
That seems a lot to me, considering he is behind Loeb on the stage. If he got 5 min penalty that should mean he was 30 mins late out of service?Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
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Originally Posted by EightGear
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NoDriver Control Reason Penalty 10 D. SORDO (ESP) TC3C 5M LATE 00:50
I got it from WRC twitter, also thought it was way too much, apparently it is 50 seconds because he was 5 minutes late.Quote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe