Just a question out of curiosity. Who has crashed more, Meeke or JM Latvala?
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Just a question out of curiosity. Who has crashed more, Meeke or JM Latvala?
Latvala.
Depends if the question is about overall number or percentage from number of starts :)
Very disappointing, but he still lacks seat time.
Matton made a big strategic error of not trying Kris or some else earlier in the season. He left it too late and put Kris under stupid pressure to try and save Citroen's season.
Still reckon Kris deserves a least two full seasons to see if he can build on his speed.
Never going to get consistency with proper seat time.
you have to realise that the golden years when teams and sponsors spent stupid money to invest on almost every driver with potential are long gone... maybe those years are never coming back. It is not a mistake by citroen... citroen/ford would love to have the funds to prepare for the future but they do not... It i not because of Citroen that meeke drove only these events... if they had the money they would have 10 meekes driving the whole season....
It is not about choices it is about money.
Anyway the truth is last three rallies Sordo 37 - Meeke 0
That's nice but does not help to understand the real situation. Matton saw clearly through the season that a team of perfect No.2 drivers can't win the championship. This season is lost and he must desperately find some way to defeat Volkswagen and Ogier. With Hirvonen and Sordo he will never manage that. So he tried Meeke as a logical step when he was already in the team as main test driver. The attempt failed but that doesn't mean it didn't worth trying when there was nothing to loose.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
Matton said he has a choice of 7-8 drivers on a list from which shall be decided drivers in next years line up. I guess we can count in Neuville as #1 driver. Why not a youngster like Pontus Tidemand (yes - I know what yuo´ll accuse me for) but he is one out of a very few drivers who has his future still coming. And he´s proven fast even in a WRC car. I think he´d be #3 i Citroen. Mikko of course stays at Citroen as #2.
well said. the era of mcrae and other wasters is gone. the factory seats are very few, the patience of team managers is even smaller. you must quickly prove you are efficient in the crashing : points collecting ratio, or you are gone. drivers like Ogier and Neuville are the future (and the presence of course)Quote:
Originally Posted by NxOxT
When did he say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I guess Hans Weijs would be one of them too.
I think that its time to veterans: Loix
I saw it on swedish WRC sum up programme tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Loix still better than Meeke, Sordo,.... (My opinion).
Why only bet on young drivers? This is not football, nothing to win on future transfer...
I don't agree the season was lost, they were in quite good position to win manufacturers title. It is very likely that Sordo would bring some points from Australia. I think Matton was outspoken by Khalid with drivers choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Where do you think Sordo would have finished?
Don't know but he could bring some points for Citroen, dispite all critics he is still consistant.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
Yes he was consistent on gravel, just not to Citroen's standard of consistency. Unfortunate.
even though he made mistakes i would let meeke drive wales rally GB, after all it's his "home" rally and he could score solid points there, plus if Citroen do intend to retain his services for next year then he needs more time driving the DS3 WRC.
I think there is not much to talk in this thread any more. Three big crashes in 2 rallies says it all. Yes he had the speed when he had the best starting position in Australia. But when the conditions were more equal then he started to drop down slowly until he crashed.
Meeke will likely be kept on as the test driver because they know he is reasonably quick for short tests.
How has Seb Chardonnet been going lately?
If Meeke's surname was Latvala then all his problem would be solved.... including the crashes....
yes I Know... Who said that life is fair....
Next Meeke appearance should be course car with DS3 R5 at Alsace or Catalunya.
Accoridng to WRC.com, Meeke still has an outside chance of a DS3 ride on Rally GB.
Now, if he screws that up.............................
Chardonnet is nowhere near fast enough to be considered for a works drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
Then again, if he were judged on his gravel pace, neither is Sordo......
When I read that, my first thought was "nice". Then I realized that by Rally GB, Citroen must have signed their drivers already - so what's the point (from Miss Kreeke's point of view, I mean)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Talbot
point 1 other drivers still in their contracts
point 2 Meeke works driver for 2014.
Thought he was showing promise in Germany although Cronin was outright quicker. Both deserve to get the backing for an R5 campaign before they could be considered for WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by catty
Don't say "both deserve to get the backing", but "both should work on a project". If a driver waits for someone to help with funding out of nowhere, good luck...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
True, as I'm sure they are working hard on this I wish them both much good luck! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
I really hope Meeke hasn't blown his chance. He was surprisingly quick both in Finland and Oz considering his massive experience deficit.
As has been pointed out look at how many chances Latvala has had. We were all told it was ok because he was the quickest which turns out to have been a bit wide of the mark judging by this years performances.
I hope for Meeke's sake that a perspective team boss will view (recent) crashes as part of the 95%/105% rule.
In as much as you can (possibly) reign in a 105% driver, but it's harder to get the last 5% out of a 95% driver.
Eg. McRae, Latvala etc
Agree with you, but teams are more focused on the Maunfacturers title more than the drivers now it seems, so need consistancy. I would pick Meeke over Sordo or Hirvonen, but i'm not a team boss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Talbot
The author of the thread should be happy, now that Meeke has a full season seat :D
Yes, truly a happy end so far. Let´s hope he´ll do a good job next year, for the sake of himself, Citroen and the rallysport in GB.
Well done on this first leg of Monte-Carlo, Kris Meeke :cool:
Well done Kris and Paul. I hope this week end has shown that Meeke can be competitive and does deserve a factory seat, despite what a few have said about him here over the years. Yep, they'll be a few offs during the season no doubt but he is going to have a good season.
Irish eyes are smiling.
hopefully in time we will be able to change this to- "Kris meeke- the fastest driver to challange Ogier", really hope so:)
Just a terrific result for Kris, I am so happy for him. It is so terrific to see him on the podium, and to have a British driver back in the mix. I think Colin would be proud.
wait 'til he starts to get beaten by Mads on snow or gravel - he will quickly get frustrated and crash stupidly again