2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Actually to me that would be a Middle Party. And yes to the lobbyists - should I use my 10mm or 460 mag?
BTW do you include small business in the wage earner category?

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Depends on the small business definition. I'm a one man business. I buy the steel and aluminum and springs and inserts and shocks, I pick up and chop up the steel and aluminum, sometimes i run the parts, sometimes Bob---the guy who owns all the machines, runs my parts while I run some of his, I drop the stuff off to get anodized and cad plated, I assemble, pack address, and ship and do the correspondence.. Yesterday from 0720 to 0130---late cause I had billing to do.
That's the making of race car (rally car) suspension. Then there's the motor parts, motor builds, and specials, like a run of 10 then 25 light steel flywheels for turbo rwd Volvos.


Its a small "business" or "sole proprietorship" but its mostly just dumb work---since the Big Boys of wall Street wrecked the economy its not made much more than break even plus a couple of thou after a full year, but gotta do it or you disappear.

That is a legit question, I know farmers may be "small" business and -if htere's any left---turn over 1.2 million for a profit of 15-20k...

In that case i's say, yeah he's in the same boat as me, and ordinary wage earners...

But its quite a stretch to imagine that the worries are the same for somebody teetering along on 30k-40k a year and somebody
"barely surviving" at 185k...

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Voting for Obama this November reminds me of the saying....

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing... Government controls everything.

First off, the Government is for the people, here to protect its people, not run the people's everyday life.

Im not a big Romney fan either but he is definitely the better choice and my opinion, the only choice we have. We CANNOT afford 4 more years of Obama. My favorite candidate we had was Herman Cain, for those of you wondering.

But these recent attacks on US Embassies, lack of Israel support and Iran situation has really got me upset.

Mr. President....Attacking US Embassies is an act of war and you are doing nothing to defend them or America. He wont meet with the Israel Prime Minister but invites the Egypt Muslim Brotherhood leader over here ? Why, I have no understanding of that. He apologizes to Islamic countries about our beliefs in Islam but doesnt defend us when they attack our country's beliefs and way of life. Disgusting.


And in America, we all know his failures here..

Record National Debt over 16 trillion dollars. He has increased the National Debt more than all other presidents combined!
Unemployment higher than ever
Oil Prices high
Ruining the healthcare system
Lack of Military Support
Not defending our borders
Not enforcing illegal immigration but insteads caters to them, lets them stay here, work, get driver's licenses, etc...
Our Nation's credit rating has dropped to AA-

I could go on and on but I wont. America will fall if he stays in office another 4 years. I am a veteran and to see this country being destroyed by him is very upsetting and depressing.

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Originally Posted by Starter

It would be a mistake to characterize all people who have positions in the above two groups as either stupid or crazy. While it's true that some of the more rabid and extreme have taken front page (blame the media for overly sensationalizing), many are just nice people who have certain core beliefs, particularly on religious matters. I don't agree with them on many things, but I respect their positions.

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Do you extend the same 'respect' to, say, the views of al Qaida? Where does this 'respect' for views with which you disagree end? I have no respect at all for homophobes, anti-abortionists, or so forth. Why should I, when I consider their views not only to be wrong but also damaging?

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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With that statement, you disqualify yourself from making any political comment, in my opinion. Have you ever encountered an actual socialist or Communist?

Socialism is very very different from communism. Most European countries are socialist to some degree. That doesn't make them communist. Not even close.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Socialism is very very different from communism. Most European countries are socialist to some degree. That doesn't make them communist. Not even close.

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To add to that, many prominent socialist politicians in the post-war years, for example in the first post-war Labour government in Britain, were amongst the most vehement anti-Communists one could have encountered. I suspect this is rather too subtle a distinction for some to grasp.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

With that statement, you disqualify yourself from making any political comment, in my opinion. Have you ever encountered an actual socialist or Communist?

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As Mark said, there is a big difference betwee the two.

Let's educate ourselves correctly when throwing out terms like socialism and communism or any "ism" for that matter.

Just a quick thought slightly OT. The Government (and all of it's recourses) of The United States of America has Identified the three hate-mongers that made the video that started all the latest protests over what has to be an extremely offensive video to Muslims in Africa and the Mid-East (has anybody seen it?) The apparent ring leader is an Egyptian ex-patriot who is also a Coptic Christian that hates the fact that his ex-country is for the most part Muslim. He is in custody. The other two are in hiding, with friends saying they have received credible death threats. :dozey:
I was asking my sister who is a defense attorney that only handles capitol felonies, and I'm guessing she is very good at what she does, because she has ongoing concerns that because of pleas and not guilty verdicts she has taken measures to protect herself from dissatisfied "alleged victims", and even the police. I asked her if these three will be able to at least be tried for involuntary manslaughter. She said that it is not the proper course of action. A little to my surprise she said they will more likely be tried for crimes against “The State” in Federal Court, and then much to my surprise she added: "that way they can send them to Gitmo"!!!!!! Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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You know that I don't like your favorite driver. But as I've said, I've always thought that you were a nice guy and a good racing fan, Chad. So I'm not saying any of this to insult or offend you. Don't take it that way. But if you don't know that communism and socialism are NOT pretty much the same thing, then you really don't know what you're talking about.

Here's what it comes down to: I support your right to believe anything you want. I support your right to support any candidate that you choose. But before you can define someone as something, it's quite necessary for you to at least know the definition. M'kay? :)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

With that statement, you disqualify yourself from making any political comment, in my opinion. Have you ever encountered an actual socialist or Communist?

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You must recall that in this country since maybe 1946 the word "Communist" is just a 'dirty word' people spit out when they want to insult... I recall in 1st Grade, 1958, I'm what? 6 years old, maybe 7 and in a fight rolling around in the dirt and I pin the guy down and hold his arms so he can't swing...kid's face is bright red and he's so angry ----and most kids at the point even in Texas didn't swear---yet----he can barely speak but he managed to finaly spit out "You---You---- You dirty communist!"

Try and keep in the forefront of your consciousness t polls done many times in the 50s and 60s and 70s where pollsters would show either the Preamble to our Constitution, or the beginning of our Declaration of Independence, to people all over the country and asked people to sign it as a petition...
A preponderance of respondents would refuse and hurl "Communist" and "socialist" at the pollsters..

It was a cliche of the times.

Now we see with most of the Americans who have posted here that there is no difference between Communists, Socialists and Nazis.. "they're all the same".

How is dialog possible with such people?

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

As Mark said, there is a big difference between the two.

Let's educate ourselves correctly when throwing out terms like socialism and communism or any "ism" for that matter.

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Yes, we definitely should. I blame it on the failure of the American educational system. Not only are our younger people unable to perform at a global level in math and science, we also do a very bad job teaching them civics and government. People in the U.S., especially those of certain political persuasions, have a tendency to throw around rather nonsensical terms based solely on engrained fears that they have.

As far as Obama, I know for a fact that he is a Reptilian Moon Jew. And if he gets another term, he'll build camps and lock all of us away so that his Reptilian Moon Jew comrades can then come and eat us. We will be assimilated! And annihilated. And eviscerated! It's true! Tell your friends! Stranger Danger! Stranger Danger! :eek:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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:laugh: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the result of our underfunded education.

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Mr. President....Attacking US Embassies is an act of war and you are doing nothing to defend them or America.

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You're lying. Obama has sent more Marines to embassies in the Middle East and routed destroyers near Libya to protect our interests.

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And in America, we all know his failures here...

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Here we go...

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1. Record National Debt over 16 trillion dollars. He has increased the National Debt more than all other presidents combined!
2. Unemployment higher than ever
3. Oil Prices high
4. Ruining the healthcare system
5. Lack of Military Support
6. Not defending our borders
7. Not enforcing illegal immigration but insteads caters to them, lets them stay here, work, get driver's licenses, etc...
8. Our Nation's credit rating has dropped to AA-

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1. Obama inherited two wars and a financial meltdown. War is expensive and if you can't foot the bill, then don't pick a fight.

2. Ever? Really?! I'm glad those Depression Era kids aren't reading that little low-light of yours. If it wasn't for the American Reinvesting and Recovery Act, then millions more would be unemployed, unable to pay their mortgages, and feed their kids.

3. No President can take control over this.

4. Ruining? Depends on who you ask. There are plenty of 20-something kids fresh out of college who are thanking Obama for the passage of his healthcare reforms since they can't get a job (due to greedy companies piling money and not hiring), and have zero benefits. Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act enabled these kids to actually have a fighting chance to be part of their parent's health care until 26 and not get kicked out by insurance companies due to a pre-existing condition.

5. I'm not sure what you mean. Hauling America troops out of Iraq? Yeah, thanks. Enough of that quagmire.

6. Uh oh. Here come those invading Canadians.

7. Well, America has a hypocrisy about this that I still don't understand. America needs workers and at the same time wants to kick those workers out its territory. I'm with you on kicking illegal immigrants out of America, but not for the same reasons. I want illegal immigrants to be kicked out so Americans can happily go pick their own crops, clean up their own trash, and make their own food. Think prices are high now? It's nothing compared to how it's going to be when American demand more than minimum wage to do mundane jobs and benefits.

8. You're blaming Obama for this? Laff!

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I could go on and on but I wont. America will fall if he stays in office another 4 years. I am a veteran and to see this country being destroyed by him is very upsetting and depressing.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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:laugh: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the result of our underfunded public education system.

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Mr. President....Attacking US Embassies is an act of war and you are doing nothing to defend them or America.

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You're lying. Obama has sent more Marines to embassies in the Middle East and routed destroyers near Libya to protect our interests.

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And in America, we all know his failures here...

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Here we go...

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1. Record National Debt over 16 trillion dollars. He has increased the National Debt more than all other presidents combined!
2. Unemployment higher than ever
3. Oil Prices high
4. Ruining the healthcare system
5. Lack of Military Support
6. Not defending our borders
7. Not enforcing illegal immigration but insteads caters to them, lets them stay here, work, get driver's licenses, etc...
8. Our Nation's credit rating has dropped to AA-

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1. Obama inherited two wars and a financial meltdown. War is expensive and if you can't foot the bill, then don't pick a fight.

2. Ever? Really?! I'm glad those Depression Era kids aren't reading that little low-light of yours. If it wasn't for the American Reinvesting and Recovery Act, then millions more would be unemployed, unable to pay their mortgages, and feed their kids.

3. No President can take control over this.

4. Ruining? Depends on who you ask. There are plenty of 20-something kids fresh out of college who are thanking Obama for the passage of his healthcare reforms since they can't get a job (due to greedy companies piling money and not hiring), and have zero benefits. Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act enabled these kids to actually have a fighting chance to be part of their parent's health care until 26 and not get kicked out by insurance companies due to a pre-existing condition.

5. I'm not sure what you mean. Hauling American troops out of Iraq? Yeah, thanks. Enough of that quagmire.

6. Uh oh. Here come those invading Canadians.

7. Well, America has a hypocrisy about this that I still don't understand. America needs workers and at the same time wants to kick those workers out its territory. I'm with you on kicking illegal immigrants out of America, but not for the same reasons. I want illegal immigrants to be kicked out so Americans can happily go pick their own crops, clean up their own trash, and make their own food. Think prices are high now? It's nothing compared to how it's going to be when Americans demand more than minimum wage and benefits to do a mundane job.

8. You're blaming Obama for this? He had nothing to do with the lowering of America's credit rating.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Now we see with most of the Americans who have posted here that there is no difference between Communists, Socialists and Nazis.. "they're all the same".

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Heh, in the last 40 years I think there's been a big effort to get 'liberals' in there, because liberty is an opposition to the status quo when it comes to equal rights. In the last ten 'progressive' has been added since conservatism by it's nature is opposed to any kind of change, even when it's beneficial.

Ohio's slipping away as is Virginia. Rmoney's not looking so hot to anyone but the nuts who themselves don't really like him, since they put Mormons in the same boat the Iranian government puts anyone associated with the Baha'i.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

:laugh: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the result of our underfunded public education system.

You're lying. Obama has sent more Marines to embassies in the Middle East and routed destroyers near Libya to protect our interests.


Here we go...

1. Obama inherited two wars and a financial meltdown. War is expensive and if you can't foot the bill, then don't pick a fight.

2. Ever? Really?! I'm glad those Depression Era kids aren't reading that little low-light of yours. If it wasn't for the American Reinvesting and Recovery Act, then millions more would be unemployed, unable to pay their mortgages, and feed their kids.

3. No President can take control over this.

4. Ruining? Depends on who you ask. There are plenty of 20-something kids fresh out of college who are thanking Obama for the passage of his healthcare reforms since they can't get a job (due to greedy companies piling money and not hiring), and have zero benefits. Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act enabled these kids to actually have a fighting chance to be part of their parent's health care until 26 and not get kicked out by insurance companies due to a pre-existing condition.

5. I'm not sure what you mean. Hauling American troops out of Iraq? Yeah, thanks. Enough of that quagmire.

6. Uh oh. Here come those invading Canadians.

7. Well, America has a hypocrisy about this that I still don't understand. America needs workers and at the same time wants to kick those workers out its territory. I'm with you on kicking illegal immigrants out of America, but not for the same reasons. I want illegal immigrants to be kicked out so Americans can happily go pick their own crops, clean up their own trash, and make their own food. Think prices are high now? It's nothing compared to how it's going to be when Americans demand more than minimum wage and benefits to do a mundane job.

8. You're blaming Obama for this? He had nothing to do with the lowering of America's credit rating.

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Thank you. Point by point every single thing was not just false but ridiculous...and easily disproved
Obama has his failings and one is thinking just because he is so much smarter than the "other side' that he could use logic and reasoning and negotiate with them like all reasonable people do with other reasonable people...
Huge mistake and one based on either ego in thinking he could convince them or something else.

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

Heh, in the last 40 years I think there's been a big effort to get 'liberals' in there, because liberty is an opposition to the status quo when it comes to equal rights. In the last ten 'progressive' has been added since conservatism by it's nature is opposed to any kind of change, even when it's beneficial.

Ohio's slipping away as is Virginia. Rmoney's not looking so hot to anyone but the nuts who themselves don't really like him, since they put Mormons in the same boat the Iranian government puts anyone associated with the Baha'i.

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Yep. But still the pivot is Florida. Obama may do OK in Florida but there's an awful lot of the place that's more like "Flar-duh" and they have a long record of voter suppression and ballot tampering with evident impunity. Violating the law seems to be a long habit there.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

1. Obama inherited two wars and a financial meltdown. War is expensive and if you can't foot the bill, then don't pick a fight.

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Exactly.

I would also like to add that there would be much less animosity between Western countries (namely, the US) and the Middle East if there wasn't any meddling in foreign territories. This extends to aid to Israel - Israel are more than capable of defending themselves from any perceived threat without the USA becoming involved.

All this simply does is fuel extremism and give hardline Islamic extremists ammunition to indoctrinate their children with. Speaking of indoctrinated, explaining any dislike of the US by foreign countries with "they hate our freedoms" as an open-and-shut case is a moronic oversimplification and is one of the reasons why people continue to vote for candidates with bellicose foreign policies, and hence a reason why these conflicts keep happening.

foreign aid is expensive - get rid of it !!!

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Originally Posted by Roamy

foreign aid is expensive - get rid of it !!!

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Furrin aid, like all aid, sometimes, when carefully done, is a good investment in peace. We did it once...and where we did and encouraged real democracy, there has been peace for 67 years.
For the first time in recorded history..

But the way we normally do it, where the aid is structured implicitly to benefit some huge US corporation, and the "host country" possibly not even seeing a penny of cash*, forget it.

Where ever you stand, its worth a read --a quick read---of the details of how this works as direct transfers to Corporations with "connections" have a look at "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"..

. sure its broad and some have picked at it, but compare what he says is the mechanism of gaining control with how things we've all seen again and again have gone everywhere that gets ensnared by foreign aid---be it US, or French of whatever..Easy "aid" then debt burden followed by IMF and the World Bank, debt "restructuring and wide open borders for foreign investments and monopolies.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Yep. But still the pivot is Florida. Obama may do OK in Florida but there's an awful lot of the place that's more like "Flar-duh" and they have a long record of voter suppression and ballot tampering with evident impunity. Violating the law seems to be a long habit there.

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I read through some electoral college scenarios last weekend (the national polls mean virtually nothing at this point). And from that, I think you're right: Florida is the most pivotal state. It seems like Romney has to win Florida or he's basically toast. If Obama wins Florida, and I think one or two of the other battle ground states, he's pretty much got it locked up. A guy by the name of Virgil Goode got on the ballot in VA very recently. I expect for him to take away at least some small slice of the extreme right wing vote here. Romney really needs those votes. He really needs VA. If Goode screws that up for him, and Ohio keeps drifting away... Mitt might as well tell the fat lady to get tuned up.

What I find incredibly amusing is the number of generic conservatives and Obama haters on various forums who are claiming that this election is going to be a Romney landslide. I think it's certainly possible that Romney can win. But I've seen absolutely no evidence or polling data to suggest that either one of them is going to win in a landslide. But I forget, these predictions seem to usually come from people for whom mathematics is not their strongest card. :dozey:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

I am a veteran and to see this country being destroyed by him is very upsetting and depressing.

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So as an ex-government employee in by definition a monopolist a socialist organisation, you're calling for (as you see it) a Socialist/Communist to go.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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Do you or are you currently claiming your Socialist/Communist government pension as a result of being an ex-government employee in a socialist organisation?

Romney wants the government to know whether or not you're watching porn.

“If I am President, I will work to make sure that every computer sold into the home has an easy to engage pornography filter so that every parent can protect their child from unwanted filth.”

No thanks! I'll keep my porn, thank you. I don't need Mr. Mormon trying to get rid of my porn because his twisted religion doesn't find it morally up to par. I'm not even sure why Romney is trying to tout the moral high ground through his religion. Joseph Smith was a polygamist (3-way anyone?) and was incarcerated for fraud.

If Romney gets elected, then he'll go after the porn industry. He will then go after the computer manufacturers to place spyware on your personal computer and use some vague terrorism legislation to do so. This is real! You don't believe me? Then I bet you don't recall what Alberto Gonzalez did to tear The Constitution to bits with the unPATRIOTic Act. No, I'm not voting for Romney.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Romney wants the government to know whether or not you're watching porn.

“If I am President, I will work to make sure that every computer sold into the home has an easy to engage pornography filter so that every parent can protect their child from unwanted filth.”

No thanks! I'll keep my porn, thank you. I don't need Mr. Mormon trying to get rid of my porn because his twisted religion doesn't find it morally up to par. I'm not even sure why Romney is trying to tout the moral high ground through his religion. Joseph Smith was a polygamist (3-way anyone?) and was incarcerated for fraud.

If Romney gets elected, then he'll go after the porn industry. He will then go after the computer manufacturers to place spyware on your personal computer and use some vague terrorism law to do so. This is real! You don't believe me? Then I bet you don't recall what Alberto Gonzalez did to tear The Constitution to bits with the unPATRIOTic Act. No, I'm not voting for Romney.

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Wait..Unwanted filth?? That implies that there is either no need for parents to protect their child from wanted filth...
I just did a set of brake pads on my neighbors new minivan cause he has a second kid coming in less than a month, and my hands were filthy..I didn't like it at all, it was unwanted.. I protect my girls from this unwanted filth by washing my hands using Boraxo and Scotch Brite...

But my oldest who is 7 1/2 now seems to want to work on cars and i taught her young that with soap and water a lotta filth is just a temporary thing..
But is he wanting to work on cars "wanted filth"?

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Wait..Unwanted filth?? That implies that there is either no need for parents to protect their child from wanted filth...
I just did a set of brake pads on my neighbors new minivan cause he has a second kid coming in less than a month, and my hands were filthy..I didn't like it at all, it was unwanted.. I protect my girls from this unwanted filth by washing my hands using Boraxo and Scotch Brite...

But my oldest who is 7 1/2 now seems to want to work on cars and i taught her young that with soap and water a lotta filth is just a temporary thing..
But is he wanting to work on cars "wanted filth"?

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Yeah, I don't think Romney is the type to get his hands dirty. He did his mission in France, so I guess the biggest hardship he had in his life was going from his chateau to the corner market for a baguette. Oh, yeah! I forgot to mention that he's also a draft dodger. I don't think Romney wanted to get his hair dirty in Vietnam, so he decided to hit the slopes of Chamonix.

As you can see in this video, there is a gay veteran from the Vietnam War who happens to be the same age as Romney. Will Mr. Mormon decides to tell this veteran that his right should be crapped on because of his sexual orientation. I guess being gay really doesn't make you a coward. This gay veteran should have gone on that trip to France with Romney instead and taught him a few bedroom tricks too! Ann would have been pleased.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Romney wants the government to know whether or not you're watching porn.

“If I am President, I will work to make sure that every computer sold into the home has an easy to engage pornography filter so that every parent can protect their child from unwanted filth.”

No thanks! I'll keep my porn, thank you. I don't need Mr. Mormon trying to get rid of my porn because his twisted religion doesn't find it morally up to par. I'm not even sure why Romney is trying to tout the moral high ground through his religion. Joseph Smith was a polygamist (3-way anyone?) and was incarcerated for fraud.

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Next will be the re-introduction of prohibition and to it will be added coffee, tea, and energy drinks containing caffeine. ;)
Then again that will include most sodas, so there's a potential health benefit there...

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

To add to that, many prominent socialist politicians in the post-war years, for example in the first post-war Labour government in Britain, were amongst the most vehement anti-Communists one could have encountered. I suspect this is rather too subtle a distinction for some to grasp.

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As this applies to citizens of The United States of America, and has been pointed out by the semi-great American Satirist John Vanlandingham, since 1946 Communism is a filthy Un-American word. I used to make a point as a contrast to what communism actually means by asking my countrymen that bandy that term about; "Do you now have a roommate? Has your "Home" ever been a house or apartment that you share the expenses with with someone whose only relationship to you is the mutual benefit of sharing the expense of that dwelling? When the response is in the affirmative I would ejaculate:
"You do know that that makes you a communalist". After a period of consternation on that persons behalf I would "try" to explain the subtleties of the distance between the two. Like the semi-great American Satirist I too have a one man operation, a sole proprietorship in the fenestration discipline. In plain (American) English that means my trade is installing windows, replacement glass, window screens, waterproofing of window openings, and a variety of other products like shutters, and "Alarm Screens", and almost anything that applies to windows and glass. Since this company has not turned a significant profit in 3 years I have taken a bearish stance instead of chasing bad money with good. Possibly this is one reason why the semi-great American Satirist who has shown his hand and is in fact two years older than me ;) , sounds semi-desperate when discussing his advocation is that I have other streams of income, all legal. Having an offspring that had a horrible accident (spinal injury) at the age of 32 has given me a special perspective on what actually is valuable in life. For me at the very top is having a sense of humor, and BP that is less than stage one hypertension.

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OBAMA has already broke us. Another 4 years of him and we will be no better than several third world countries. Nobody in their right mind should want to see anymore war but trying to pacify them will not work. They hate our way of life and will not stop until they change it. We had better open our eyes now! Romney would not be my first choice but he is the BEST choice! Obama's plan is to turn us into a country where the people rely on government for everything. It is what he studied, how he was taught and what he believes. I will never turn my back on my country for I love her so much but if Obama was to walk past me I would turn my back to him.

Obamunism... Work Hard, Other People Need YOUR Money.

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I invoke Godwins Law.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

OBAMA has already broke us. Another 4 years of him and we will be no better than several third world countries. Nobody in their right mind should want to see anymore war but trying to pacify them will not work. They hate our way of life and will not stop until they change it. We had better open our eyes now! Romney would not be my first choice but he is the BEST choice! Obama's plan is to turn us into a country where the people rely on government for everything. It is what he studied, how he was taught and what he believes. I will never turn my back on my country for I love her so much but if Obama was to walk past me I would turn my back to him.

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Have you read any of the other posts in this thread? You may, if you approach them with an open mind, learn from them.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

OBAMA has already broke us. Another 4 years of him and we will be no better than several third world countries. Nobody in their right mind should want to see anymore war but trying to pacify them will not work. They hate our way of life and will not stop until they change it. We had better open our eyes now! Romney would not be my first choice but he is the BEST choice! Obama's plan is to turn us into a country where the people rely on government for everything. It is what he studied, how he was taught and what he believes. I will never turn my back on my country for I love her so much but if Obama was to walk past me I would turn my back to him.

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Explain how Romney would be any good? Tax cuts for the rich? Their extra money won't end up going straight into offshore tax havens? I didn't realise that Americans relied on the government for oxygen, the sun's light etc etc. And those poor people, they don't deserve healthcare do they? It's their fault that they're lazy and feckless and unable to get a good job?

Plus Paul Ryan is a serial liar:
6 Worst Lies In Paul Ryan's Speech | ThinkProgress
Paul Ryan caught lying over unemployment figures, has no defense - Detroit liberal | Examiner.com


Romney is only a fan of limited government when it comes to taxing the rich and helping the poor. If you want a fan of both limited government and freedom, vote Johnson.

Perhaps a return to sanity and reason is in order, as opposed to the "wing nuttery" of those who have a limited understanding of economics and political philosophy.

Here's something I found which is (IMO) quite interesting - especially in light of the claims that Obamaism is all about communism/socialism/fascism/Nazism... :rolleyes: I'm not on the Obama bandwagon, nor am I his biggest fan. But the ridiculousness of the claims by some of his critics has made me not want to see people of that ilk getting (back) in power. What has happened to intelligence in the conservative movement in America? What has happened to people like the late Jack Kemp? Have the paranoid wing nuts and ill informed flakes truly chased them away, by calling them RINOs for not agreeing with every single iota of their right wing social radicalism???

Doesn't it seem rather odd that if Obama is indeed the greatest expression of communism, socialism, and whatever other nonsensical, self-created ism that people want to come up with, that more sectors in the greatest expression of free market capitalism (the equity market) would apparently do better under an Obama administration than under a Romney administration? Yeah, weird. :confused: But what do those 1%'ers know about stocks anyway?

What Stock Market Is Saying About November Elections

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Stock sectors that could do well if Democrats win in November have been outpacing those that might be in favor if Republicans get control of the White House and Senate, according to an index created by LPL Financial.

Democrats were assigned health care facilities; food and staples retailing; gas utilities; health care services; life sciences tools and services; construction materials; homebuilding and construction and farm machinery.

Republican sectors are coal and consumable fuels; diversified financial services; oil and gas exploration; oil and gas drilling; managed care; electric utilities; specialty retail, and telecommunications services.

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At the current rate, someone like this will be the GOP candidate for President in 2016. God help us all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I read through some electoral college scenarios last weekend (the national polls mean virtually nothing at this point). And from that, I think you're right: Florida is the most pivotal state. It seems like Romney has to win Florida or he's basically toast. If Obama wins Florida, and I think one or two of the other battle ground states, he's pretty much got it locked up. A guy by the name of Virgil Goode got on the ballot in VA very recently. I expect for him to take away at least some small slice of the extreme right wing vote here. Romney really needs those votes. He really needs VA. If Goode screws that up for him, and Ohio keeps drifting away... Mitt might as well tell the fat lady to get tuned up.

What I find incredibly amusing is the number of generic conservatives and Obama haters on various forums who are claiming that this election is going to be a Romney landslide. I think it's certainly possible that Romney can win. But I've seen absolutely no evidence or polling data to suggest that either one of them is going to win in a landslide. But I forget, these predictions seem to usually come from people for whom mathematics is not their strongest card. :dozey:

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In the opening post of this before it got out of hand, I had Romney winning by only 8 votes in the electoral college. And that assumed based on pre-polling data that or the 50% states in the Union, all would vote identically to they way they did in 2008 with only a very small percentage difference.

Under all scenarios, Florida basically has to switch. It carries 29 votes which is 2 up from 2008 and Texas also picks up an extra 4. Apart from Louisiana which lost population due to the after effects of Katrina, all the other Electoral College vote changes have been in the north eastern part of the country.

In January during the primaries, I predicted that it'd Romney-Rubio on the Republican ticket. Rubio would have been a good thing to put on the ticket because he's got a fresh face and tactically having the Senator from Florida would have been useful in flipping Florida back to red.

The last poll survey which I read had Ohio at Obama 57-Romney 43. 14 points is a lot to shift.

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Plus Paul Ryan is a serial liar:
6 Worst Lies In Paul Ryan's Speech | ThinkProgress
Paul Ryan caught lying over unemployment figures, has no defense - Detroit liberal | Examiner.com


Romney is only a fan of limited government when it comes to taxing the rich and helping the poor. If you want a fan of both limited government and freedom, vote Johnson.

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You really think people like "Iwaanabedanica" will click your link to see?
You have to place everything in front of their eyes, then there can be no possible excuse they didn't see it--except refusal or some tragic accident that left them maimed and with cranial-rectal occlusions.
Cut and paste:
6 Worst Lies In Paul Ryan’s Speech

By Aviva Shen on Aug 30, 2012 at 9:36 am
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/...an-300x225.jpg Vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is taking flack on the morning news shows for his keynote address at the Republican National Convention Wednesday night. His speech was riddled with false claims, so much so that even Fox News wrote, “To anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.”
Here are the most glaring lies from his speech:
1. “A downgraded America.” Ryan blamed the president for the nation’s credit downgrade in August 2011 after Republicans threatened to allow the government to default on its debt for the first time in history. But the ratings agency explicitly blamed “Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal.”
2. “More debt than any other president before him, and more than all the troubled governments of Europe combined.” Romney has made the almost identical claim, that Obama has amassed more debt “as almost all of the other presidents combined.” But their math doesn’t add up: when Obama took office, the national debt was $10.626 trillion. It has increased to slightly above $15 trillion.
3. Shuttered General Motors plant is “one more broken promise.” Ryan described a GM plant that closed down in his hometown, Janesville, Wisconsin, and blamed Obama for breaking his promise to keep the plant open when he visited during his campaign. But Obama never made that promise, and the plant shut down in December 2008, before Obama even took office.
4. Obama “did exactly nothing” on Bowles-Simpson. Ryan said, “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.” In fact, Ryan was instrumental in sabotaging the commission, leading the other House Republicans in voting against the plan.
5. “$716 billion, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.” Ryan’s favorite lie is a deliberate distortion of Obamacare’s savings from eliminating inefficiencies. Furthermore, Ryan’s own plan for Medicare includes these savings. Romney has vowed to restore these cuts, which would render the trust fund insolvent 8 years ahead of schedule.
6. “The greatest of all responsibilities is that of the strong to protect the weak.” Ryan closed the speech with an invocation of social responsibility, saying, “The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.” However, numerous clergy members have condemned Ryan’s budget plan as “cruel,” and “an immoral disaster” because of its devastating cuts in social programs the poor and sick rely on. Meanwhile, Ryan would give ultra-rich individuals and corporations $3 trillion in tax breaks.

OK?

Dead-enders from the old regime are fawkin with my confuser!

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Bush has already broken us...Nobody in their right mind should want to see anymore war, but I'm not right of mind. They, terrorists, hate our way of life and will not stop until they change it, even if they have successfully done so (i.e. NSA giving kids full body pat down at the airport). We had better open our eyes now! Romney would mercilessly subjugate the American population with his religious doctrine, but he's still my first choice because my television says so! Obama's plan is to turn us into a country where the people rely on compassion from one another in order to see us through dire straits. It is what he studied at Harvard, how he was taught and what he believes. I would rather turn my back on my countrymen, and let them wallow in a mess they did not create but only inherited.

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I fixed a few things for you.

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Obamunism... Work Hard, Other People Need YOUR Money.

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Ram-mesim: work like a slave and watch as your future burns to ashes.

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http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/e...bamaposterVII.

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Nice meme, and it had grammatical and spelling errors as well! Love it. I love how you showcase your views through generic Facebook posts.

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Proverbs 24:21-22
²¹ My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:
²² For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

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Good thing I'm an atheist. No need for me to bow down to some invisible deity. This is basically stating that you should accept the status quo and not question authority even when you're being driven to the ground. No, f'q your religion. Christianity intertwined with the GOP is the reason Congress can't compromise.